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2026-2027 Strong/Super El Nino
michsnowfreak replied to Stormchaserchuck1's topic in Weather Forecasting and Discussion
January 2024 actually was a decent winter month here. It was shockingly (for a strong nino) the wettest january on record at Detroit. Which jives with what you mentioned about strong ninos being wetter. There was a big cold snap mid month and the Plains actually finished the month colder than avg. It was the warm and very low snow December and February that made it such a bummer. This is a pic from Jan 2024. Much of the month resembled what winter in MI should. The problem is Dec and Feb didnt. -
2026-2027 Strong/Super El Nino
michsnowfreak replied to Stormchaserchuck1's topic in Weather Forecasting and Discussion
Thats the way to run a strong nino. Cansips has been hellbent on a 3rd straight cold winter in the Great Lakes. -
2026-2027 Strong/Super El Nino
michsnowfreak replied to Stormchaserchuck1's topic in Weather Forecasting and Discussion
100%. Some are relying/hoping too much for the warmest possible scenario and im just not buying it at this time. -
2026-2027 Strong/Super El Nino
michsnowfreak replied to Stormchaserchuck1's topic in Weather Forecasting and Discussion
Yeah shutout may not be the best choice of words, I took it literally lol. 2015-16 was a better snow season here than 1997-98 or 2023-24. -
2026-2027 Strong/Super El Nino
michsnowfreak replied to Stormchaserchuck1's topic in Weather Forecasting and Discussion
Hmm while im not as familiar with east coast climate, that seems pretty much impossible to get a total shutout in new England. Shitty compard to climo, yes, but shutout or even close, never. Im in SE Michigan, i turn 43 next week and the least snowy winter Detroit has recorded during my lifetime was 23.4" in 1997-98. 2023-24 was right there at 23.5". Go north in Michigan and snow towns were calling 2023-24 with its 60, 80, 100" a "non-winter". So all of this worry about the worst case scenarios is STILL relative to one's climo. Even IF its a strong or super nino, many other factors come into play too. So I can say with 100% confidence that any area north of NYC will not be shutout. -
2026-2027 Strong/Super El Nino
michsnowfreak replied to Stormchaserchuck1's topic in Weather Forecasting and Discussion
Id think its way too early to say anything. I mean "potential" is there for a lot of stuff. But with the ability to make snow im sure ski areas will be fine regardless. -
We fairly frequently get snowpack with 1-2" water content but rarely more than that. The most water content i can recall was 2014 with about 4-5" water content by late Feb.
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Not a chance. It will be the same crickets as during the cold winter. Unless the west continues to bake.
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2026-2027 Strong/Super El Nino
michsnowfreak replied to Stormchaserchuck1's topic in Weather Forecasting and Discussion
Im taking a stab in the dark, but i think snowman is going with a super nino. -
2026-2027 Strong/Super El Nino
michsnowfreak replied to Stormchaserchuck1's topic in Weather Forecasting and Discussion
Not sold on a super el nino and especially not on a torch. I do think it will be milder here than the last 2 cold winters, however. -
Snowpack is definitely not created equal depending on area. The exact same amount in different areas and the same conditions will do different things.
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How much snow is left?
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5 years ago today. Tuese were some amazing winter/spring clash scenes. 4.4" of snow fell here, 3.6" DTW but near 6" on the MI/OH border.
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28° at Detroit this morning after a trace of snow yesterday.
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2026-2027 Strong/Super El Nino
michsnowfreak replied to Stormchaserchuck1's topic in Weather Forecasting and Discussion
I dont really keep track of severe (other than my own daily weather obs), but what I do know is we've had a lot of pretty dull severe seasons, so we were overdue. -
2026-2027 Strong/Super El Nino
michsnowfreak replied to Stormchaserchuck1's topic in Weather Forecasting and Discussion
There have been 13 confirmed tornados in Michigan this year (Mar/Apr), which is wild. There was one 4 miles to my north Apr 15 which is the closest I can ever recall. Pic below is of that tornadic 2am storm. -
2026-2027 Strong/Super El Nino
michsnowfreak replied to Stormchaserchuck1's topic in Weather Forecasting and Discussion
Thanks for the explanation! Makes sense. -
2026-2027 Strong/Super El Nino
michsnowfreak replied to Stormchaserchuck1's topic in Weather Forecasting and Discussion
That is one funky looking standout of blue. Jokes aside, I know you know it, but remember its all relative. The coldest winter ever recorded in Anniston, AL is warmer than the warmest winter ever recorded here. I feel like when we are so far out from the next winter, its easy to focus too much on temps. -
2026-2027 Strong/Super El Nino
michsnowfreak replied to Stormchaserchuck1's topic in Weather Forecasting and Discussion
Cansips still onto another cold winter here in the Lakes. I have my doubts, but it by far was the best model locally last winter. This is why it will be interesting to follow along this summer. After 2 cold winters, personally I expect a mild winter next year, tho not nearly to the extreme that a few here are undoubtedly hoping for. Those of us at more northern latitudes have seen multiple snowstorms track south the last few years (more than usual) so as always seeing how ALL the indicies, the Pacific, etc behave is just as important as actual temp anamolies. -
2026-2027 Strong/Super El Nino
michsnowfreak replied to Stormchaserchuck1's topic in Weather Forecasting and Discussion
How can NG "predict" weather trends months in advance? -
Yes. Although I WILL say...and this is NOT taking ANYTHING away from them...but NWS MQT is really not representative of Marquette. Its an absolute microclimate snowmagnet. There are multiple similar lake superior microclimates up there (for instance, look at our own @weatherbo) but many of them are in extremely rural to non-populated areas where we may never know how much snow possibly falls at THE best spot. I used to watch the NMU snowcam in Marquette and you could tell there was nowhere near the amt of snow on the ground as MQT officially had. But when I went up there and scoped the area out its an absolute fact. The snow rapidly increases, and its very noticeably, right near the NWS office. The 7am snowdepth today at MQT is 19". The city of Marquette webcams show completely bare ground. For anyone of us, take the absolute snowiest location in your entire metro-area and its outskirts and pretend that would be the official climate station. It would be like Detroit snow records being taken in Lake Orion (which unofficially averages probably 60", not 40-45" like Detroit). Thats how it is in Marquette.
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My phone woke me at 2am with the tornado warning alert. I ended up being up 2 hours. The storm was wicked but no tornado here. Possible one 3 miles north. Got 0.82" rain. Looks like quite a bit of damage noted in ann arbor, Dearborn, lincoln park. The constant lightning illuminated the black cloud overhead
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2026-2027 Strong/Super El Nino
michsnowfreak replied to Stormchaserchuck1's topic in Weather Forecasting and Discussion
Other than that one article that is shared over and over by the same people, we have no idea what went into measuring at every location pre-1950. I think actually 1948 is when the 6 hr started at airports. That is also when they started rounding up daily snow depth to nearest inch. I have done plenty of local research on past weather events and while human error was there in 1880 and is there in 2026, I am pretty confident in the snow record at Detroit (and most other 1st order stations) being quite accurate. Now, coops and NON first order, who knows and there are undoubtedly tons of error. Back in the 1800s and very early 1900s they would always say "10 inches of snow fell on the level" or something like that. They applied a 10-1 ratio usually. But it would make more sense to apply a 10-1 ratio to what you measured than to melt snow down for a liquid and apply the ratio to snow. Its a hell of a lot easier measuring snow than it is melting it down for liquid equivalent. -
2026-2027 Strong/Super El Nino
michsnowfreak replied to Stormchaserchuck1's topic in Weather Forecasting and Discussion
Again, to be clear, im only doubting super at this point. It would be unheard of so close. Definitely a nino is coming. Super would not be fun, but we always get winter in the great lakes. Thats a great thing about living here. You're rescued in the worst case scenarios. Our climate is less feast/famine. One thing that im liking is the persistent of the eastern trough in recent years. -
2026-2027 Strong/Super El Nino
michsnowfreak replied to Stormchaserchuck1's topic in Weather Forecasting and Discussion
Shortly after I posted that I discovered the dataset and I must say its very impressive to have an actual consistent record of snow/temp/precip pre-1870. I would kill to have that for my area. As for measuring snow...ive seen that link many times. I've also measured snow for 30 years. Pre-1950 we dont know how individual observers measured. Each station mightve had their own method. What i CAN tell you is that clearing at 6 hours mostly affects fluffy lake snow, double digit storms, or a very long duration snowfall. More run of the mill snowfalls without taint the effect is minimal.
