michsnowfreak

And it's completely different from my recollections. It was less much less snowy during my childhood/teen years in the 1990s than during the 2000s-2010s. Cleveland, which is nowhere near the coastal I95 cities, was an aberration in the lower Lakes, as most of the region saw snowier winters in the 2000s and 2010s than the 1990s, especially synoptically. Cleveland is much more prone to the hits and misses of lake effect bands.

Im also getting tired of this "we measured snow differently before the 1990s". For the millionth time, snowfall at most first order stations (which is the only place you will get a non-stop climate record dating to the 1800s) has been measured this way since 1950 or so. I know a meteorologist who worked for the NWS in the 1970s. It was standard procedure the same as it is now. Furthermore, snow was measured pre-1950s by meteorologists/employees at the weather bureau office, likely very precisely. Look at old weather record books (your local NWS office has them) and you will see what I mean about the detail and precision and care they took with records back then. They monitored the weather hourly with snow and rain, whether they swiped or not. You think todays observers monitor every snowfall hourly? I think not. And lastly, its laughable to assume measurements since the 1990s are so good when we have seen FAA/Airport take over and the NWS at times struggle to get good observers, and in more cases than not, snow is not measured by NWS employees.

Regardless of enso, cc, or anything else, winters always ebb and flow. They always have and they always will. Many factors can absolutely influence, but they aren't a slam dunk for anything. We dont get noreasters in the southern Great Lakes and the 2000s saw above average snowfall at Detroit while the 2010s were the snowiest decade on record. It was just a great period for many.

Nice! Id love to visit MN someday. I like living where I do and visiting northern MI, so maybe just take lots of trips to northern MN.

Yes thats why Im a suburbs person. Sounds like you plan to stay in MN instead of returning to IL, which is cool. I LOVE sugar maples!

haha its almost like an addiction...I want more trees...but I have no more room! Do you keep any of the sapplings to grow in your yard? Its fun to watch them grow and quite honestly, its my favorite part of spring. My neighbor has 3 big white pines too. Our backyards of southern MI are very "northern exposure" lol. You actually see a lot of white paper birch trees, a ton of white pines (MI state tree) and quite a few balsam and douglas firs in southern MI even though "up north" is their natural habitat.

Unusually impressive diurnal ranges the past week here. Forecast to go to 80-82 today. DTW high / low 05-07: 76 / 48 05-08: 58 / 40 05-09: 66 / 36 05-10: 80 / 45 05-11: 67 / 46 05-12: ?? / 44

Hopefully you get some rain soon, dont need those beautiful northwoods to burn! Im a lover of all things northern trees lol; my backyard has 2 balsam firs (1 is massive), 1 douglas fir, a white paper birch tree, a white pine, a norway spruce & an autumn blaze maple.

Crazy to see 96° at International Falls, MN today. The icebox of the nation. Detroit has never officially hit 96° in May! Very pleasant Mother's Day here. Lows in the mid 40s, highs mid 60s and going back to the 40s tonight.

I couldn't agree more. Although many years seems like we go from AC September to heat October.

Had the heat on off and on so far in May. I do NOT want to go right to AC lol.

Higher summer mins seem to be the most notable aspect here. There's obviously nuances to everything, but LONGTERM, winter here really hasn't changed much outside of a Dec temp increase and Jan-Feb snow increase.

Mine would be July 2012. Just gross.

Even if it was in the 30s at legit stations, it doesnt take away from the heat that that summer was known for, which was your point in bringing up that brief but potent cold snap. The most deadly heatwave in history, 1936, was in a summer that had cool snaps. Some more stagnant summers can come up with a higher mean temp despite never having any single impressive max temp. And I won't even get started on who's "wrong" about things lol.

Thank you

My birthday is May 8th so the weather can be very variable this time of year, but by a mile 2020 was my coldest birthday. I wore a turtleneck sweater that day. It flurried all day in a brisk breeze then we got to a record low of 27F the next morning, one of the coldest May temps on record.

May 8 - 12, 2020 saw snow reported 5 straight days at Detroit (T, T, 0.5, T, T). Five consecutive days of May snow has never happened before in the entire climate record. Today was likely the last frost of the season...with the first only 4.5-5 months away!

Frosty May morning in SE MI. Detroit officially got to 36F, with some rural areas dipping below freezing.

Frost advisory for most of southern MI tonight. With the summer-like warmth next week, even though not long-lasting, this should be the last frost until late September or early October.

Good memory! Record low of 46F at DTW on July 2, 2001.

To this day, summer 1988 holds the record for the most 90F+ days on record at Detroit (39). With a widespread drought going on, I assume the humidity was unusually low. I was only 5 but Ill never forget seeing a grass fire ignite before my eyes. There was indeed a brief but potent (for the season) cold snap to start July. In fact, DTW had a record low of 48F on July 1st, sandwiched between a sea of record highs in June & July. That summer saw 5 days of 100F+, which is 2nd only to 1936 with 8. Nevertheless, its an absolute joke to take an alleged 32F reading at a random coop station with a very possibly faulty thermometer in an extremely rural area, in one of the last months that station kept records....and just say "hey it was 32 this day, youd never see that today". BTW the official low at Pittsburgh that day was 49F. Lmao do you know some of the insane readings that come from some of the cold spots in rural Michigan during the summer?

Hes excellent at cherry picking the most random things from xmacis. A random coop station in a middle of nowhere town with a population under 2K that is full of missing data and hasnt reported since 1988. If that isnt accuracy, I dont know what is.

An unusual day today in that high temps in Michigan ranged from the 80s in the western U.P. to the 50s in southeast MI.

Its very odd to pick one random day. I guess I could say I remember as a kid it was spring by mid-late April and now we almost always get a snowfall. Its a huge generalization. July 4th is a hot summer day most of the time. If a cold front happens upon the area in that timeframe, so be it. But to assert that you would wear a hoodie as a kid and now its always 70+ is a stretch. Pittsburgh was 100F on July 4, 1911. The warmest July 4th low at Pittsburgh airport was actually 74F in 1999.

My memory of the 1990s is that summers were about the same, springs/falls were cooler, and winters were milder and less snowy than the 21st century. Without a doubt the most sour aspect of the 1990s for me was winters.