LibertyBell

Not necessarily. We've talked about December 1989. You need a lot more than cold to get snow. Being a results oriented person I would rather have December 1995, December 2000, December 2002, December 2003, December 2009 or December 2010 over this by far. This is just a milder version of December 1989.

it's not luck though it's the same pattern we had in the 80s when it was cold and didn't get much snow between 83-93. There are nuances in the pattern that prevented it. There are cold and rainy patterns too and nuanced reasons why they happen.

This is an important discussion that needs to be had. Far more important than snow.

Thank you! This has very negative impacts on health and the environment too. Population growth is projected to stabilize by or before 2100 but that may be too late. We are now using all the resources the planet produces in a year in just six months. The 1970s was the last time that was in balance.

This is only because political leaders are corrupt and are bought and paid for by the fossil fuel cartels-- the transition should have been occurring a lot faster than it is. Renewable fuel is now cheaper and produces higher paying jobs and is far healthier too.

People call solar energy an "intermittent" source of energy-- why? The sun is powered by fusion and is always on all the time. You just need to be able to access solar energy in space and send it down here. We can maybe actually do that one day in the not too distant future by capturing solar energy in space and converting it to another form of energy, storing it and then sending it down here (as microwaves.)

Yep but this is also why people complain about the 80s. The big storms were there and the cold air was around. It's not random luck though, there are reasons why patterns like this are different from what we had in the early to mid 2000s and the early and mid 2010s

What is the answer to 1/0 and why is it different from the answer to 0/0?

Natural gas is just a euphemism the dirty and corrupt fossil fuel companies use-- it's really methane which is FAR worse than CO2 is as a greenhouse gas. We really need to get off all of them and nuclear fission (specifically thorium) and fusion when we finally have it are the only real answers. Our air still has a lot of air pollution and air pollution is the number one shortener of life on the planet-- ahead of even tobacco smoking. It's a much worse problem in the summer (we have a lot of bad air quality alert days.) NO2 air pollution from car exhaust is a real problem and we need a faster switch to EVs! Air pollution is even more of a problem in minority communities-- for example in West Oakland where diesel is used the life expectancy is a full 9 years shorter! The air pollution is a big problem which is why we see high rates of asthma and lower life expectancies. I am glad you addressed the overall largest problem of all (for pretty much everything) which is population growth and population density. The UN forecasts that to stabilize by or before 2100, let's hope that happens.

Thats how I feel about April snow! It's also special because you know it's the last one of the season.

So the warmth gets here starting on the 29th? Sustained temps in the 50s and sunny? That's not bad if that's what happens.

Hell we had 55 with heavy rain and SE gale force winds in Jan 1994 with the low the previous morning of ZERO DEGREES! 60 may be a bit difficult but 50-55 is easy.

Don, how close did December 1989 get to being on this list? We had very light snowfalls about once a week that very cold month and I believe the AO was very negative and the total monthly snowfall didn't amount to much. Most of the snow we got that season was in the Thanksgiving storm-- we must have had a two month very negative AO that season and then it flipped to extreme positive. It's nice to see 2012-13 still on this list though maybe that's a warmer version of the 1989-90 pattern (like this season might be too) where you get low snowfall in December but the warmer offshore waters result in a developing coastal bomb for February? It's amazing to have 1976-77 anywhere near this list since that was so historically cold and a weak el nino to boot. I wonder why we didn't have much snow that winter and why it warmed up so rapidly in February? That was a characteristic of the 80s too (cold dry Januarys and mild Februarys.)

Wow that was another season of extremes! You said 9 out of the other 10 were before WWII-- was the 10th one more recent than 1989-90?

What's the farthest west a storm has ever cut in recorded history lol?

If you want cold weather this is the way you get cold weather.

What about March 2005? Wasn't Christmas 2002 a Miller C? There were also a couple of storms in February 2010 where we went heavy rain to heavy snow. I also remember one from the early 90s when a front produced rain and then stalled as a cyclone formed off the coast and it snowed for 36 straight hours lol that sounds like it describes what you mentioned-- that one was a positive bust since no one expected that to occur and it wasn't predicted anywhere and the area of heavy snow was very narrow-- basically Newark to the Hamptons! Got 8 inches here! It was mostly wet snow at 33-34 during the day but really started to stick that night.

Near 0 and a heavy snowstorm too correct? What a late date to have that combo. April 1982 was also very cold and at an even later date with heavy snow during the day, but not quite as frigid as what happened in March 1967.

Our tax money should be going towards doing this for our models too (not to mention 4DVAR.) Not more GOES satellites!

Remember the days when nothing beyond 5 days would even be discussed lol?

I think with climate change we might also be seeing a feedback effect, so with time the changes become more and more apparent. So an analogy might be like....if steroids weren't banned, players would keep hitting more and more HR.....so McGwire with 70 and then Bonds with 73 and then a few years later someone else would hit 80, then 85, etc.

Which model has the best handle on that ridge? The CMC?

So much more like December 1989 than December 2000? This does resemble a (much) warmer version of 12/89

Out of curiosity's sake what was December 2000 like before the Millenium storm? Is there a chance we could pull it off again near the end of the month? Dec 26-30 seems to be a hot spot as far as big snowstorms are concerned.

It seems like something that happens in the Day 7 range. Honestly anything beyond 7 days is useless.