LibertyBell

No there was no measurable snow before December in 2002 LOL

It's fine as long as it comes before the end of January

2013-14 was a lot better than 1989-90

No there was no snow in 02 before December lol

1- 12-13 was only a mediocre winter 2. 02-03 snow before December was nonexistent 3. The only one that makes the pro list is 95-96 also you forgot one for the con list 89-90

The reasoning is there needs to be spacing between snowfalls so a snowstorm in November likely means you won't see much in December. And there's a pretty good signal for a mild November into a snowy Winter (less so now, but it was 6 out of 6 through 1994.) The only exception in that list is 95-96 1) 12-13 was only an average so-so mediocre winter 2) there was no snowfall in 02-03 prior to December.

That was an eastern new england winter, not the kind that would do well back here. Plus you have to remember that a bunch of snow came in November. I would consider it an average winter overall, better than 2011-12 for sure but nothing to write home about.

The earliest big snowstorm I've ever seen.

Good we don't need all that rain. I woke up to a bright bolt of lightning and very heavy rain around 4:30 but it only lasted for 30 minutes-- along with the high winds. Must have been a thunderstorm. This is basically a frontal passage for us.

Wow I wonder what was going on to make that month so warm?

It's a lot more than that, they are hard to photograph. You can have great day time snowstorms any time of the snow season. Remember April 2003? That was absolutely amazing and one of my all time favorites.

I remember that was the mostly overnight snowstorm. I slept during most of it lol. Got so exhausted tracking for days and the delay of its onset that I fell asleep right before it started and woke up in the morning just after it ended. I hate night time snowstorms....

Is that called a Modoki?

That's why some of us are predicting a nearly average winter, probably around 24-28 inches of snow for the urban areas.

When I was somewhere around 8 years old and we had the snowless 80s (well nearly so) I decided to make my own snow. I took my mom's talcum powder (this was before we knew it was dangerous lol) and I sprinkled it on our fans....desk fans, ceiling fans, everything, and turned them all on to make my own snow. The end result was a layer of white on everything....the carpet, the bed, the couch, the sofa, the TV.....everything. When they came home they wondered what happened.... I said LOOK IT SNOWED !!!!!

Hey that's gorgeous. The human made stuff is the only reliable stuff we have so go all out. Maybe get a machine to make your own snow as a lot of people do in the South. A present to yourself lol.

Thanks, I wonder how far back the NYC and other local airport records go for this kind of extreme temperature change?

The warming waters could also be a big factor where the arctic airmasses go. Our winters have been warming but did you notice they've been getting colder in Montana and Idaho, etc?

and yet in 2016 itself we somehow got to below zero in NYC lol That was one winter of extremes from extreme warmth in December to a historic snowfall in January to extreme cold in February.

I heard that 1888 was a year of vicious extremes but this is truly horrible. I wonder what was going on that year specifically to make it so extreme?

Quantum computing will hold the real keys (to many problems), it's just frustrating that quantum computers are taking so long to develop. Quantum computers basically imitate natural processes on a much smaller scale which is why I'm so enthusiastic about them.

I have a strong feeling the airports will be closed for a time. Safety first....

True, however this is also the best time of the year to see the night sky because of how clear and clean it is you can see really deeply. I could even see the waning crescent up until 8:20 am, it's slender and curved like a backwards "C" in the southeast to southern sky and pretty high up. The sun is getting higher so it'll disappear into the sky pretty soon.

I think this kind of droppage also happened in the March 1888 blizzard-- not sure how extreme that was but might have been even more than this.

That could still happen occasionally the high was 10 degrees in Jan 1994 and 7 degrees in Jan 1985. That usually means suppressed systems so dry and cold though. In 1994 our very snowy pattern actually happened a few weeks after those below zero temps, before that it was mostly mixed precip and lots of freezing rain and sleet.