LibertyBell

Nah heat is more fun

your snowfall maps + elevation and geographical location on the north shore, colder temperatures and duration of snowcover for those locations.

we all will. even in a good winter, seeing a few inches of snow fall during the day is an experience to treasure. I even like it when the sun comes out afterwards, it makes the snow sparkle like diamonds.

And even moreso, no one but no one wants more rain. If it's going to be in the 40s and 50s it should be sunny and clear and no rain for at least a month. Get the rainy, misty, foggy crap out of here, once and for all!

It's annoying that an ocean more than 3000 miles away has this much of an effect on our weather. It's not like the Atlantic has this kind of effect on Asian weather =\

I'll also add there are important things to discuss about humankind's impact to the environment besides climate change-- overhunting and overfishing as well as pollution and usage of pesticides not only adversely impact the environment, but our health too. We were discussing the impact of overfishing in our subforum earlier https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collapse_of_the_Atlantic_northwest_cod_fishery https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_End_of_the_Line_(book) Clover, a former environment editor of the Daily Telegraph and now a columnist on the Sunday Times, describes how modern fishing is destroying ocean ecosystems. He concludes that current worldwide fish consumption is unsustainable.[2] The book provides details about overfishing in many of the world's critical ocean habitats, such as the New England fishing grounds, west African coastlines, the European North Atlantic fishing grounds, and the ocean around Japan.[3] The book concludes with suggestions on how the nations of the world could engage in sustainable ocean fishing.[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Environmental_impact_of_fishing The journal Science published a four-year study in November 2006, which predicted that, at prevailing trends, the world would run out of wild-caught seafood in 2048. The scientists stated that the decline was a result of overfishing, pollution and other environmental factors that were reducing the population of fisheries at the same time as their ecosystems were being annihilated. Many countries, such as Tonga, the United States, Australia and Bahamas, and international management bodies have taken steps to appropriately manage marine resources.[6][7] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Marine_Foundation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overfishing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Pauly Through the 1990s, Pauly’s work centered on the effects of overfishing. The author of several books and more than 500 scientific papers, Pauly is a prolific writer and communicator. He developed the concept of shifting baselines in 1995 and authored the seminal paper, Fishing down marine food webs, in 1998.[7] For working to protect the environment, he earned a place in the "Scientific American 50" in 2003, the same year The New York Times labeled him an "iconoclast". Pauly won the International Cosmos Prize in 2005, the Volvo Environment Prize in 2006, the Excellence in Ecology Prize and Ted Danson Ocean Hero Award in 2007, the Ramon Margalef Prize in Ecology and Environmental Sciences in 2008,[8] and the Nierenberg Prize for Science in the Public Interest from the Scripps Institution of Oceanography in 2012. In 2015, Pauly received the Peter Benchley Ocean Award for Excellence in Science.[9] In 2016, he was honored in Paris with the Albert Ier Grand Medal in the Science category.[10] In 2017, he received, together with Dirk Zeller as part of the Sea Around Us leading team, the Ocean Award in the Science category.[11] Also in 2017 and specifically on French National Day, he was named Chevalier de la Légion D’Honneur.[12] Pauly has written several books, including Darwin's Fishes[13] (Cambridge University Press), Five Easy Pieces: How Fishing Impacts Marine Ecosystems (Island Press) and Gasping Fish and Panting Squids: Oxygen, Temperature and the Growth of Water-Breathing Animals. Views[edit] To date, he frequently expresses opinions about public policy. Specifically, he argues that governments should abolish subsidies to fishing fleets[14] and establish marine reserves. He is a member of the Board of Oceana. In a 2009 article written for The New Republic, Pauly compares today's fisheries to a global Ponzi scheme.[15] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shifting_baseline https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fishing_down_the_food_web

maybe March instead?

Getting 93-94 and 95-96 two out of three years was enough for me not to care about the late 90s lol, those were two amazing winters whose memories will last for a lifetime. As a matter of fact as 1995-96 approached the record, I thought to myself, that if I only get to experience a record winter for snowfall, I won't mind if it never snows again, just get that one great winter like the oldtimers always talked about lol. After 1995-96 I stopped following winter weather for the rest of the 90s, because that one winter had enough snow for the entire decade (add 1993-94 in for 2 historic winters in the same decade), the next time I cared about winter was 2000-01. I judge active decades for snowfall in terms of how many seasons in the decade have 50"+ inches of snowfall. There were 2 in the 1960s (1960-61 and 1966-67), 1 in the 1970s (1977-78), 0 in the 1980s, 2 in the 1990s (1993-94 and 1995-96), 1 in the 2000s (2002-03) and 4 in the 2010s (2009-10, 2010-11, 2013-14, 2014-15). That 2010s decade was absolutely amazing!

it'd hard to call them futile with 77-78, 93-94 and 95-96 in there

I'm confused-- we had much colder lows last winter, 3 degrees and 6 degrees, on two arctic shots

oh sorry Walt, 4" was the total there from the previous storm.

I remember in the post Sandy snowstorm on November 7th 2012 they somehow got 14" of snow in a storm that was supposed to change to rain lol. We can't complain here-- we got 8 inches. To date, that's my all time favorite early season snowstorm.

I've always looked for north+some elevation for the ideal combo. The reason why I selected Mt Sinai is because it has some elevation compared to say, Port Jefferson or anywhere else right on the sound. Where in Queens did you used to live-- was it near Whitestone? I imagine it was very snowy there too back in the day before UHI. Muttontown for Nassau County is an interesting story. They routinely get colder than anywhere on the island outside of Westhampton (KFOK), I've also noticed they hang onto snowcover long after the rest of Nassau County is down to pavement and blacktop lol. Westchester is another interesting story, back when I was trying to keep much closer track of rain/snow lines for the north shore, the three official reporting stations I'd use were LaGuardia Airport, White Plains and Bridgeport (and sometimes New Haven although they don't measure snow there anymore, but they do report weather conditions.) One thing I noticed is that the north shore's rain snow line was usually somewhere between LaGuardia and White Plains, but sometimes the north shore did stay snow longer than Bridgeport did although never quite as long as New Haven did. It's just another way to estimate annual snowfall without official data-- trying to figure out who changes over to rain or freezing mix least quickly lol.

we look to be in the good zone, 3-4 inches is definitely a possibility here on the south shore from JFK to MTP.

didn't the NAM do really well with the warm nose for the last storm ?

I looked for a sweet spot based on your detailed snowfall maps of the region and I'd say for Nassau County it's near Muttowntown and for Suffolk County (and Long Island in general), it's somewhere between Miller Place and Mt Sinai. We have snowfall measuring stations there I believe?

Isn't it supposed to mix with rain down there?

People are thinking this because generally IVT verify north of where they are progged to be This should be better than the last storm, 3" isn't outside the realm of possibility. I would say that 3-4" is probably the most anyone should be hoping for.

I liked the colors this morning but the clouds were too thick to get vivid colors like we've seen before.

why is it that we were getting high precip bombs when the weather was warm and now that it's finally cold those high precip storms have stopped?

It does remind me of January 2009, a less cold version of it anyway. Minor snow events but they were on the ground a long time because of the cold.

Walt around 4" in my part of the Poconos near I-80 Blakeslee, PA.

Those are the only three storms I remember from the 80s.... the funny thing about the January 1982 storm is I remember the news reports about the flight going down much more than I remember the snow lol. I remember April 1982 very clearly, I woke up at 3 am to see the first flakes fall, so I was keeping up to date with the forecasts for that storm even back then lol, it's my very first clear snowfall memory at the tender age of 8. I even remember we got another snow event at the end of that week in the middle of the day on the 10th. And February 1983 was the first snowstorm I ever experienced on Long Island after our move there the previous November and my first 2 foot storm! January 1987 was our first 6"+ storm since February 1983, so I remember that well too.

This is exactly how I remember January 1994. The Saturday morning it ended as a period of flurries and the sun came out and the wind started blowing, the ice was glittering like diamonds in the trees against the backdrop of the brilliant deep blue skies. When the wind started blowing though, the air had an unnatural feel to it, the trees seemed like silent zombies who had lost their souls and who refused to move, they were so stiff, like sparkling corpses encased in ice and standing still.

That sounds like March 2014 and March 2015 were similar up your way, we had a cold and dry March 2014 but got close to 20" of snow in March 2015-- I've never seen a March like that before or since.