LibertyBell

Hopefully it's like 2002

1990 - Temperatures dipped into the teens and single numbers in the northeastern U.S. Scranton PA tied their record for the date with a morning low of 18 degrees. Temperatures warmed into the 60s and lower 70s in the Pacific Northwest. The afternoon high of 65 degrees at Astoria OR equalled their record for the date. (The National Weather Summary) Looks like a big pattern flip, January and February must've been extremely cold in the NW that year.

whats fascinating that inside a supermassive black hole you wouldn't even get crushed, it really is more like entering a new universe....sure you can't go back but you wouldn't even realize that.

all you have to do is look at the 80s to see how 10 years isn't enough for snowfall.....30 years may not even be enough. I would go with 60 year averages honestly.

I was shocked it went that high, Will. I always figured that Boston's snowfall climo mean should be around 42" 50" is Minneapolis territory and Boston definitely isn't as snowy as Minneapolis is.

The trends are great for playing baseball!

based on what we've found / not found, probably less than one in a million, maybe even less than one in a billion.

Yes three days above 100 even at JFK in July and still upper 90s in September! We did the 32/10/3 split here, 32 days at 90+, 11 days at 95+ and 3 days at 100+

I hunted down an article by the same author you quoted, and this one really sums up my thinking and has for the past 30 years https://www.npr.org/sections/13.7/2018/03/09/591906007/getting-climate-change-right-in-light-of-the-stars Of course we triggered climate change. We've been using planetary-scale amounts of energy to build and maintain this amazing planetary-scale project of civilization. Of course the Earth noticed. What else did you expect to happen? Imagine that aliens, with our knowledge of climate, landed on Earth in ancient Rome. They could have looked around and predicted: "Yeah, you guys are gonna trigger climate change in a few thousand years." In fact, aliens make an important part of this story. Given what we now know about climate, we can see that any large-scale technological civilization developing on any planet would likely trigger its own version of climate change. What is an industrial civilization but a means for converting vast amounts of energy into useful work? The laws of climate literally demand that so much energy use has to transform into planetary feedbacks. So, yeah, we're a wildly successful species that's built a wildly successful planetary civilization. That changed the climate. Duh. What else did we expect to happen? But are we smart enough, and successful enough, to see this truth and deal with it effectively? Given the 10 billion trillion potentially habitable planets in the universe, we are likely not the first time a civilization has appeared and faced the climate change it created. In some cases, that climate change may have become an existential threat to the civilization's existence (as it may become for humanity). So, in the end, the most important question of all may be one we have yet to even fully imagine. Are we to join the universe's winners who met their climate challenge and moved forward — or will we fade away with the cosmic losers too stubborn to see the truth before their eyes?

This seems to be the case with every large corporation in every industry, they always cover up anything that will curtail their profits. It's the definition of corporate psychopathy

we need to talk about something people are unwilling to talk about-- human population simply increased too quickly, either we stabilize the population or nature will stabilize it for us. We get to chose (only for a limited amount of time though.) Honestly, the pandemic offered us a window into an opportunity for a better future with lower air and water pollution and lower emissions. As I said, either we chose this future or nature will choose it for us. We have a limited window of time to make that choice before it's too late.

or the American South

The good thing was the humid was very low especially in that megaheatwave around July 4th.

I also don't buy this naive "But we didn't know!" excuse he gave. Maybe you and I didn't know but the people who developed these harmful chemicals sure as hell knew. Exxon, for example, knew exactly what was going to happen going all the way back to the 70s. And as far as other chemicals are concerned, companies like 3M and DuPont knew about how awful PFOA were because it made their own employees sick and better solutions were available in the 60s and yet they (literally) chose to bury the evidence and it was only uncovered during a lawsuit. Monsanto, another one of those evil companies, knew exactly how dangerous its pesticides were and yet their chief scientist in a black and white ad said it was safe enough to drink. Thank goodness for lawsuits to deal with their kind. Dow tried to manipulate laws to allow spraying of more toxic chlorpyrifos in California about a decade ago. Their kind does indeed deserve to go extinct.

I love these Fermi boundary events....did someone in one of your associations mention this? I've been talking about this for 30 years as being the real answer to the Fermi Paradox (and I was just talking about this in the NYC subforum winter banter thread)....it's ironic that humanity is about to discover the answer to the Fermi Paradox firsthand! Such "exciting" times ahead!

or 2002 which had another very hot summer, one of the three top very hot summers I experienced..... 1983, 2002 and 2010.

Yes I love these very hot summers, we had the same thing prior to the 2002 el nino

you know that's my absolutely favorite kind of weather in the spring and summer!

as long as we get rid of the gloomy rainy days I'm utterly fine with it.

He's only partially correct.....yes the earth "created" us but the earth favors biodiversity over one species dominating....any time one species dominates for a significant length of time, it goes extinct, when it exceeds the "tipping point". That's just the way the planet "rolls" and there's nothing wrong with that; when humanity goes extinct, it's the planet that will benefit from that. He mentioned plastics, which I found to be horrendous, since we're now finding plastics inside our own body and they create toxicity (for other species and for us.)

Yes, that was the last successful global cooperation we had.

It doesn't matter if people get tuned out or not....the facts are facts. People like us have no real influence on policy so it doesn't really matter. The cure may be "worse" than the disease, but really it doesn't matter anyway, since the disease leads to the cure, there really is no other way. Therefore the cure and the disease are equivalent because one inexorably leads to the other. In the end we are going to see that the industrial revolution was really a bubble and (the real answer to the Fermi Paradox) is that species who go down this path only exist for a very finite period of time. My views on this haven't changed in the last 30 years, I had the same views in the 90s that I have today and none of the evidence presented makes me think otherwise.

I wonder how quickly we'll get to 2.5 and then 3.0, as the temperatures rise, the rise will accelerate so I see 3.0 occurring before 2100.

fwiw climate change policy wont work unless humanity changes the entire way it exists....this all started with the industrial revolution and won't end until it ends.

we need carbon taxes and in a hurry