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And it's already happening with small hail and lightning at Fort Collins and Loveland.

It lightens up for a bit and then back to a moderate rain.

tomorrow trended doa quickly for around here, with a quick trend towards poor timing of the mcv passage. shame. we've reached the point where things ramped up for a month of quality activity from mid-june through mid-july last year, after a similarly slow start like this year. it doesn't look like a turn-around is in the cards just yet.

Next week looks brutal

Pretty much the same here.

This rain is RELENTLESS. Been a moderate rain much of the day with some periods of light rain.

Yes, I put it on the north side to keep it as far away from sunlight as possible, but it still recorded 93.7 last Thursday so I used the average of all four sensors (90.0 to 93.7) and came up with a high of 92 for that day.

Yes, and I've noticed it's a cascading effect because besides CO2 we also have more methane and more water vapor (all three are greenhouse gasses), we are becoming cloudier by the year which is increasing the impact, just like it did with Venus (even though its clouds have a different composition, mostly sulfuric acid.)

Didn't you say the other day that you have one near your roof?

Can't.... Earth would have to lose it's magnetic dynamo. Venus suffered H2O extinction from slow rotation and having too little dynamo, while being technically too far inside the Goldy zone ... That meant eons of pulverizing radiation cracking water molecules apart - there's also likelihood that Earth began with or received water sources in addition to having the powerful dynamo that protect it. But... if by saying "like Venus", we just mean hot as hell? that can happen with different chemistry and insolation, too.

Speaking of volcanos... this looks promising:

we need to look at some of these other sensors to see if they have any exposure to the sun and are properly sited too.

Humans have now reached the point where it's a runaway greenhouse effect. I remember there was an article posted that we are on the pathway to a similar fate as what happened to Venus.

well... yeah. but then Earth, nor the nature within which it exist are ideal then, either. 1800s had a couple a big volcanoes. then we got solar cycles and storms there. comet impacts... CRB's from deep astronomy for shit's sake. I mean how far outside of it do we wanna go, we can certainly find reasons to just suggest it's all futile anyway. Or, we can keep the conversation constrained to Human asshole forcing not adding to this compendium of plausible disaster scenarios. That's the point.

Pass. I’d rather not have anything to ever do with that .

Nice, I think we started exceeding that in the 1990s. I remember at the time that 1990 and 1991 were the two hottest years on record (both locally with 23 of 24 months above normal at NYC and globally with the hottest years on record up to that point.) If I remember what I read back then correctly, we jumped to a global mean temperature in the 57 degree range.

I added a little context after your quote:

Don't worry, I can show you a recording.

Yes, we've passed the point of benefits, which I believe ended in the 1990s. But the ice ages and the cold we had in the 1800s wasn't the ideal climate for humans either.

Dementia avoidance…. I owe so much to this sub forum. Thank you, as always ….

also, for farming purposes maybe a halfway point was better. Definitely not the ice ages and definitely not what we have now. I'd estimate that our ideal climate for productivity and food growth was somewhere between the 1950s and the 1990s, we went downhill rapidly after that.

I think it probably depends on whether you are looking pre- or post-invention of air conditioning. Prior to the invention of air conditioning, I suspect something near pre-industrial is the optimum. Perhaps somewhat colder. Last glacial maximum is probably too cold due to the expansive continental ice shelves, although it would open up a lot of new coastlines. Ben Franklin considered 47-50F annual mean temperature to be the ideal for agriculture and industry. I think patterns of development [prior to air conditioning] support that, with large cities like Chicago, Detroit, New York, Boston, Pittsburgh, Cleveland, Buffalo, etc. falling in that isothermal band. The south was mostly underdeveloped rural/agrarian lifestyle. Maybe some winter homes in Florida. So, prior to the invention of air conditioning, you would probably want to find the climate regime that maximized the areal extent of mean temperatures from the mid 40s to low 50s. Of course, now, most of these places are above 50F in the running means. But he did say 50-53F was the second best temperature band.

some peaks of sunshine but still mostly cloudy and muggy

Can you provide more in depth detail please?

Human influence/forcing "hidden in the noise of climate variability" is fanciful rhetoric that really means the same thing as Earth being capable of absorbing the human influence - all systems, weather and biology. This is academic logic really ... but still needs to be stated for a lot of population that don't get it. Species loss and species migration are happening because when the emergence out of noise became coherent, that coincides with changes occurring faster than species adaptation rates. Dead meat. Humans are not unaffected. The Serbian diaspora 15 to 20 years back took place because of shifting climate zones and agricultural failure over a vast region ... These are all just physically realized evidences; when the anthropomorphic forcing was still contained inside the Earth's ability to hide it in the noise, that means adaptation had a chance. I'm just saying that coherence became like a data proxy for when the detriment began. People are waiting for threshold dystopia ...but, it's more likely that a series of them will breach silenty, like crossing an event horizon - you don't feel anything out of the ordinary when you go across, but you don't return to the previous state . We surpass enough of them and then find ourselves in a "Serbian crises", perhaps one that has fewer existential solutions When that expose happened, also marks the first threshold being crossed. When the warming becomes (attribution) discernible and differentiable, meaning it sticks out of the noise as being more significant, that is the threshold of injury.