Cory Posted January 4, 2011 Share Posted January 4, 2011 http://newsfeed.time...-desert/?hpt=T2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yeoman Posted January 4, 2011 Share Posted January 4, 2011 Messing with nature will not lead to good things Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayuud Posted January 4, 2011 Share Posted January 4, 2011 Messing with nature will not lead to good things http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1224475/China-overdoes-cloud-seeding-end-drought--blankets-Beijing-snow.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wxmeddler Posted January 4, 2011 Share Posted January 4, 2011 Science is making forecasting more unpredictable? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A-L-E-X Posted January 4, 2011 Share Posted January 4, 2011 like we were discussing in the euro thread the other day, large scale climate engineering isnt that far away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catoctin wx Posted January 4, 2011 Share Posted January 4, 2011 Check out James Fleming's new book Fixing the Sky: The Checkered History of Weather and Climate Control. I went to the launch of this book in DC and just finished it a month or so ago. It will put their claims and their work into perspective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tcutter Posted January 4, 2011 Share Posted January 4, 2011 here is the link to the article.........if this has already been discussed then i apologize and will gladly delete everything but i thought this would be worth at least a little discussion........... http://www.foxnews.c...rts/?test=faces thanks for the merge.....sorry didnt see this thread before Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vandy Posted January 4, 2011 Share Posted January 4, 2011 Never been a fan of geo-engineering. Too complicated of a system with way too many possible unintended side effects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokeybandit Posted January 4, 2011 Share Posted January 4, 2011 Just makes you wonder how legit the story is. Wouldn't such an event in the desert made news when it happened? Why are there no photos or video of such an event? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cpickett79 Posted January 4, 2011 Share Posted January 4, 2011 Just makes you wonder how legit the story is. Wouldn't such an event in the desert made news when it happened? Why are there no photos or video of such an event? i see this perspective......but i also see the other side which is practical as well. we live in a very complicated world. the less information available to people (that is of potential upsetting information) the better to maintain civil order. i.e there is nice to know and need to know regarding world developments that joe 6 pack gets to be exposed to ....i.e brittney and brangelina crap ...(we get all of that) . however not sure how many people's feathers would really be ruffled by this (cept on this board) here's something interesting . . . . http://csat.au.af.mil/2025/volume3/vol3ch15.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catoctin wx Posted January 4, 2011 Share Posted January 4, 2011 Just makes you wonder how legit the story is. Wouldn't such an event in the desert made news when it happened? Why are there no photos or video of such an event? History has taught us that successes in this type of weather modification is more due to luck and coincidence than hard and fast science. I'm not saying that this is a farce, I'm just saying that I would like to see some peer reviewed paper on it before getting too excited or upset. i see this perspective......but i also see the other side which is practical as well. we live in a very complicated world. the less information available to people (that is of potential upsetting information) the better to maintain civil order. i.e there is nice to know and need to know regarding world developments that joe 6 pack gets to be exposed to ....i.e brittney and brangelina crap ...(we get all of that) . however not sure how many people's feathers would really be ruffled by this (cept on this board) I'm with you when it comes to pop culture and many "news" stories. However, in the science community, less is not more. As I said above, I would like to see the 'proof' of this happening, not just some pretty pictures. If they come out with a journal article and some good scientific, peer-reviewed data, I would be fascinated to read about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A-L-E-X Posted January 4, 2011 Share Posted January 4, 2011 i see this perspective......but i also see the other side which is practical as well. we live in a very complicated world. the less information available to people (that is of potential upsetting information) the better to maintain civil order. i.e there is nice to know and need to know regarding world developments that joe 6 pack gets to be exposed to ....i.e brittney and brangelina crap ...(we get all of that) . however not sure how many people's feathers would really be ruffled by this (cept on this board) here's something interesting . . . . http://csat.au.af.mi...e3/vol3ch15.pdf Although the internet needs a legit story filter, its hard to imagine the dissemination of information in a world without it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A-L-E-X Posted January 4, 2011 Share Posted January 4, 2011 History has taught us that successes in this type of weather modification is more due to luck and coincidence than hard and fast science. I'm not saying that this is a farce, I'm just saying that I would like to see some peer reviewed paper on it before getting too excited or upset. I'm with you when it comes to pop culture and many "news" stories. However, in the science community, less is not more. As I said above, I would like to see the 'proof' of this happening, not just some pretty pictures. If they come out with a journal article and some good scientific, peer-reviewed data, I would be fascinated to read about it. Are you of the opinion that eventually we will have widespread climate modification? I have read somewhere that we have some technological and energy barriers to overcome, but eventually (if we are to ever colonize and geo-engineer other planets) we will have to. My original idea was 200 years in the future, others think sooner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catoctin wx Posted January 4, 2011 Share Posted January 4, 2011 Are you of the opinion that eventually we will have widespread climate modification? I have read somewhere that we have some technological and energy barriers to overcome, but eventually (if we are to ever colonize and geo-engineer other planets) we will have to. My original idea was 200 years in the future, others think sooner. I'm with you that I think any purposeful modification of the climate system will be later rather than sooner. Most of the current theories (seeding the ocean, shooting reflective dust into the statosphere, etc.) are unbelievably costly compared to the potential changes that may be a result. Also, if a nation was to develop such a method to regulate the temperature of the whole planet, you can bet on it that the rest of the world will put up enough of a fuss (U.N. Sanctions?) to keep them from having that kind of control. check out the book that I posted above, it's a quick read and I think that you would find it interesting to learn about many of the past attempts at climate/weather modification and how they are viewed today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A-L-E-X Posted January 4, 2011 Share Posted January 4, 2011 I'm with you that I think any purposeful modification of the climate system will be later rather than sooner. Most of the current theories (seeding the ocean, shooting reflective dust into the statosphere, etc.) are unbelievably costly compared to the potential changes that may be a result. Also, if a nation was to develop such a method to regulate the temperature of the whole planet, you can bet on it that the rest of the world will put up enough of a fuss (U.N. Sanctions?) to keep them from having that kind of control. check out the book that I posted above, it's a quick read and I think that you would find it interesting to learn about many of the past attempts at climate/weather modification and how they are viewed today. Im going to get that book I agree with you that the methods currently being "utilized" (if one can call it that!) are akin to cavemen using their "technology" in order to invent a computer. We're not at the stage yet where we can control the side effects, nor can we even get repeatable results. The factor of how it might impact the rest of the planet makes it even less likely for anything like that to be possible in the near future, considering the perennially politically sensitive state the world seems to be in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tcutter Posted January 4, 2011 Share Posted January 4, 2011 Although the internet needs a legit story filter, its hard to imagine the dissemination of information in a world without it. well...the story did make it to foxnews online Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokeybandit Posted January 4, 2011 Share Posted January 4, 2011 i see this perspective......but i also see the other side which is practical as well. we live in a very complicated world. the less information available to people (that is of potential upsetting information) the better to maintain civil order. i All this happened in a part of the world that likes to show off what it has done, though. Especially if it was the average citizen witnessing this happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roardog Posted January 4, 2011 Share Posted January 4, 2011 Look at how much money has been spent studying the possibility of human induced climate change. So, after all the money spent on finding a way to stop human induced climate change let's go ahead and find a different way for humans to change a climate. Does that make any sense? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vandy Posted January 4, 2011 Share Posted January 4, 2011 Look at how much money has been spent studying the possibility of human induced climate change. So, after all the money spent on finding a way to stop human induced climate change let's go ahead and find a different way for humans to change a climate. Does that make any sense? It all depends on what people feel they can control. These weather modification folks probably believe they are in control of the situations they create. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WinterWxLuvr Posted January 4, 2011 Share Posted January 4, 2011 It all depends on what people feel they can control. These weather modification folks probably believe they are in control of the situations they create. Everything. Some may disagree, but this is a good example of the arrogance of man. We start messing around with our climate system, who knows what the consequences might be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach McGuirk Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 Anyone else think this might be total BS? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach McGuirk Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 In theory, I guess it could work but it would have to be on a massive scale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baroclinic_instability Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 In theory, I guess it could work but it would have to be on a massive scale. I didn't bother reading the whole article, but I think it is BS. The BIG question we should be asking is where does the moisture come from. Deserts aren't dry because they lack condensation nuclei, it is because they are dry! In theory cloud seeding is viable, FACE was an example of one study, but I don't see this working in a desert. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derecho Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 Apparently it costs 12 million dollars per year. We should have a board donation drive, we could have east coast hecs everyday! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donsutherland1 Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 Anyone else think this might be total BS? I'm quite skeptical. Virtually all the claims of weather modification have been exaggerated. I see no credible evidence that this isn't the case either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhineasC Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 I'm quite skeptical. Virtually all the claims of weather modification have been exaggerated. I see no credible evidence that this isn't the case either. Don, you should be running the Earth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach McGuirk Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 Don, you should be running the Earth. Agreed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A-L-E-X Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 One good thing about whenever the human race does perfect climate modification-- we (theoretically) should be able to forecast the weather much more accurately Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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