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7 minutes ago, LibertyBell said:

a little iffy about 94 since it's 2 degrees higher than Newark.

especially in Queens (that makes it 4 degrees higher than either LGA or JFK).

 

Not iffy at all since Harrison was 93° to the NW of the Newark ASOS. The LGA ASOS is right along the Western Sound or East River. So a westerly flow there is cooler.  Go a few miles south to Corona and it’s a land breeze with compressional downslope warming off the Moraine. JFK is right on the water so they need WNW flow to avoid a cooling influence. 

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4 minutes ago, bluewave said:

Not iffy at all since Harrison was 93° to the NW of the Newark ASOS. The LGA ASOS is right along the Western Sound or East River. So a westerly flow there is cooler.  Go a few miles south to Corona and it’s a land breeze with compressional downslope warming off the Moraine. JFK is right on the water so they need WNW flow to avoid a cooling influence. 

By the way, there was no inland superiority last Thursday we had zero sea breeze -- one of my sensors actually  recorded 93.7 at 4:30 pm on the north side of my house, but I don't record that number because it's near the roof of my house.

But based on the 94 you listed there, maybe it was accurate?

I still don't like the idea of being 4 degrees hotter than the airport especially on a westerly wind.

I know I was hotter than JFK here in SW Nassau, I just can't say 4 degrees hotter.  I went with the average of all 4 sensors I use and so went with 92.

We were definitely hotter than JFK, I just can't say 4 degrees hotter.  At least 92 for sure though. I'm not north of JFK, I'm 5 miles almost due east of JFK.

What could cause southwest Nassau to be hotter than JFK-- also a compressional airflow?

 

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18 minutes ago, LibertyBell said:

By the way, there was no inland superiority last Thursday we had zero sea breeze -- one of my sensors actually  recorded 93.7 at 4:30 pm on the north side of my house, but I don't record that number because it's near the roof of my house.

But based on the 94 you listed there, maybe it was accurate?

I still don't like the idea of being 4 degrees hotter than the airport especially on a westerly wind.

I know I was hotter than JFK here in SW Nassau, I just can't say 4 degrees hotter.  I went with the average of all 4 sensors I use and so went with 92.

We were definitely hotter than JFK, I just can't say 4 degrees hotter.  At least 92 for sure though. I'm not north of JFK, I'm 5 miles almost due east of JFK.

 

All the local airports around NYC are too close to the water to capture the highest urban maximum temperatures. This is one of the reasons that the NYC micronet was installed. ConEd could easily see from their actual electrical demand that the NYC official readings were lagging the actual usage on the warmest days. Especially with Central Park getting installed under the trees back in 1995 rather than out in a clearing like in the old days. So this lead to NYC being one of the most undersampled urban environments for heat in the USA. Most of the population in NYC doesn’t live at the cooler airports and get sea breezes. So the neighborhood micronets tells ConEd and the residents what is really going on where the most densely populated areas are.

 

 

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57 minutes ago, bluewave said:

All the local airports around NYC are too close to the water to capture the highest urban maximum temperatures. This is one of the reasons that the NYC micronet was installed. ConEd could easily see from their actual electrical demand that the NYC official readings were lagging the actual usage on the warmest days. Especially with Central Park getting installed under the trees back in 1995 rather than out in a clearing like in the old days. So this lead to NYC being one of the most undersampled urban environments for heat in the USA. Most of the population in NYC doesn’t live at the cooler airports and get sea breezes. So the neighborhood micronets tells ConEd and the residents what is really going on where the most densely populated areas are.

 

 

I don't think anyone gets these fabled sea breezes unless they live on the barrier islands like Long Beach.  For a sea breeze to get where I am at, it has to be at least 20 mph otherwise it only comes in after the high temperature has already been reached.  That's how I know there was no sea breeze here last Thursday, the highest temperature was recorded at 4:30 PM.

We can easily hit 100 on a SW wind here in July. The temperature drops after 3 pm but the high of 100+ is reached around 1 pm.

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58 minutes ago, bluewave said:

All the local airports around NYC are too close to the water to capture the highest urban maximum temperatures. This is one of the reasons that the NYC micronet was installed. ConEd could easily see from their actual electrical demand that the NYC official readings were lagging the actual usage on the warmest days. Especially with Central Park getting installed under the trees back in 1995 rather than out in a clearing like in the old days. So this lead to NYC being one of the most undersampled urban environments for heat in the USA. Most of the population in NYC doesn’t live at the cooler airports and get sea breezes. So the neighborhood micronets tells ConEd and the residents what is really going on where the most densely populated areas are.

 

 

Can we get one of these for Nassau County too? I am consistently hotter than JFK even though I'm considered to be on the *south shore* 1 mile south of Sunrise Highway but north of the barrier islands by over 2 miles.

 

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3 minutes ago, SACRUS said:

 

Light rain moving through the same areas as yesterday 0.22 in the bucket today (so far) total from the ugliness is 0.84

 

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are we even sure we're getting *heat*?  I just saw the forecast now says  the sun won't come out until next Thursday (why do I feel like Annie, saying that out loud in my head lol.)

 

And now we have a phantom rainstorm on Wednesday which didn't exist before now? I thought something can't be created from nothing-- where did this phantom rainstorm come from?

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9 minutes ago, SACRUS said:

 

LGA 100 degree days season leaders

 

2006 1 4
1955 1 4
1953 3 3
2013 4 2
2010 4 2
2005 4 2
1999 4 2
1991 4 2
1966 4 2
2021 10 1
2019 10 1
2017 10 1
2012 10 1
2011 10 1
2008 10 1
2001 10 1
1995 10 1
1957 10 1
1952 10 1
1949 10 1
1948 10 1

2006 doesn't even make the list for the hottest summers lol

lol how are 1948 and 1949 at the bottom of the list, they were much hotter at NYC, JFK and EWR.  This goes to my idea that LGA heated up with more car traffic, there was clearly much less traffic in the late 40s, so LGA was cooler than the other sites.

1993 isn't on this list at all, when EWR had 9, NYC had 3 and JFK had 2 days of 100+?

LGA doesn't match my climate experience at all, EWR is a much closer match actually.

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Newark 100 degree day season leaders

 

1993 1 9
1949 2 8
2022 3 6
1953 3 6
1988 5 5
1966 5 5
2011 7 4
2010 7 4
1955 7 4
1944 7 4
2012 11 3
2006 11 3
2005 11 3
2001 11 3
1999 11 3
1911 11 3
2024 17 2
2021 17 2
2013 17 2
2002 17 2
1997 17 2
1994 17 2
1991 17 2
1980 17 2
1977 17 2
1954 17 2
1948 17 2
1943 17 2
1936 17 2
1919 17 2
1901 17 2
1898 17 2
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7 minutes ago, LibertyBell said:

are we even sure we're getting *heat*?  I just saw the forecast now says  the sun won't come out until next Thursday (why do I feel like Annie, saying that out loud in my head lol.)

 

And now we have a phantom rainstorm on Wednesday which didn't exist before now? I thought something can't be created from nothing-- where did this phantom rainstorm come from?

 

Clouds look to linger through Tue afternoon.

Wed looks to clear out and low- mid 80s.   Thursday is the hot day this week but could see some storms later in the day.

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6 minutes ago, SACRUS said:

 

Newark 100 degree day season leaders

 

1993 1 9
1949 2 8
2022 3 6
1953 3 6
1988 5 5
1966 5 5
2011 7 4
2010 7 4
1955 7 4
1944 7 4
2012 11 3
2006 11 3
2005 11 3
2001 11 3
1999 11 3
1911 11 3
2024 17 2
2021 17 2
2013 17 2
2002 17 2
1997 17 2
1994 17 2
1991 17 2
1980 17 2
1977 17 2
1954 17 2
1948 17 2
1943 17 2
1936 17 2
1919 17 2
1901 17 2
1898 17 2

Yay some sanity has been restored !! 1993 at the top of the 100+ list lol. 1949 is a close second !!

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11 minutes ago, LibertyBell said:

Yay some sanity has been restored !! 1993 at the top of the 100+ list lol. 1949 is a close second !!

 

LGA 95 degree days season leaders

 

Year Rank Days >= 95 °F
1955 1 14
2020 2 13
1999 2 13
2012 4 11
2010 4 11
1991 4 11
1953 4 11
1995 8 10
2021 9 9
2005 9 9
2002 9 9
1988 9 9
1949 9 9
2018 14 8
2016 14 8
2013 14 8
2022 17 7
1994 17 7
1993 17 7
1983 17 7
1966 17 7
1952 17 7
1944 17 7
2024 24 6
2019 24 6
2011 24 6
2008 24 6
2006 24 6
2001 24 6
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6 minutes ago, SACRUS said:

 

LGA 95 degree days season leaders

 

Year Rank Days >= 95 °F
1955 1 14
2020 2 13
1999 2 13
2012 4 11
2010 4 11
1991 4 11
1953 4 11
1995 8 10
2021 9 9
2005 9 9
2002 9 9
1988 9 9
1949 9 9
2018 14 8
2016 14 8
2013 14 8
2022 17 7
1994 17 7
1993 17 7
1983 17 7
1966 17 7
1952 17 7
1944 17 7
2024 24 6
2019 24 6
2011 24 6
2008 24 6
2006 24 6
2001 24 6

1955 at the top matches NYC's 16 that year

Interesting that LGA used to be cooler than NYC (up to and including 1993 I think.)

2010 matches JFK (they both had 11 that year, the very best summer we ever had!)

 

 

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Newark 95 degree day season leaders

 

Year Rank Days >= 95 °F
1993 1 25
2010 2 21
2022 3 20
1988 3 20
1944 3 20
2021 6 18
2012 7 17
2011 7 17
2002 7 17
1955 7 17
1949 11 16
2005 12 14
1953 12 14
2016 14 13
1999 14 13
1991 14 13
1987 14 13
1994 18 12
1983 18 12
1966 18 12
2018 21 11
1973 21 11
2024 23 10
2013 23 10
1995 23 10
1963 23 10
1952 23 10
1943 23 10
1911 23 10
1900 23 10
1989 31 9
1981 31 9
1959 31 9
1957 31 9
1948 31 9
2015 36 8
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9 minutes ago, SACRUS said:



Newark 95 degree day season leaders

 

Year Rank Days >= 95 °F
1993 1 25
2010 2 21
2022 3 20
1988 3 20
1944 3 20
2021 6 18
2012 7 17
2011 7 17
2002 7 17
1955 7 17
1949 11 16
2005 12 14
1953 12 14
2016 14 13
1999 14 13
1991 14 13
1987 14 13
1994 18 12
1983 18 12
1966 18 12
2018 21 11
1973 21 11
2024 23 10
2013 23 10
1995 23 10
1963 23 10
1952 23 10
1943 23 10
1911 23 10
1900 23 10
1989 31 9
1981 31 9
1959 31 9
1957 31 9
1948 31 9
2015 36 8

wow 25 is a HUGE number of 95 degree days, 1993 is WAY ahead at Newark....

1993 and 2010 being one and two matches my climate experience here.

1944 is absolutely amazing for that era with 20, it's good to see the Hall of Fame summers at the top!

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1 hour ago, LibertyBell said:

are we even sure we're getting *heat*?  I just saw the forecast now says  the sun won't come out until next Thursday (why do I feel like Annie, saying that out loud in my head lol.)

 

And now we have a phantom rainstorm on Wednesday which didn't exist before now? I thought something can't be created from nothing-- where did this phantom rainstorm come from?

Yup its been wash rinse repeat and this week looks like more of same

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6 hours ago, bluewave said:

All the local airports around NYC are too close to the water to capture the highest urban maximum temperatures. This is one of the reasons that the NYC micronet was installed. ConEd could easily see from their actual electrical demand that the NYC official readings were lagging the actual usage on the warmest days. Especially with Central Park getting installed under the trees back in 1995 rather than out in a clearing like in the old days. So this lead to NYC being one of the most undersampled urban environments for heat in the USA. Most of the population in NYC doesn’t live at the cooler airports and get sea breezes. So the neighborhood micronets tells ConEd and the residents what is really going on where the most densely populated areas are.

 

 

Thanks for mentioning the micronet. I didn't know about it, only the state wide one. 

Unfortunately these geniuses decided that out of 23 stations, not a single one will be anywhere in the eastern half of Queens. We don't matter much out here on the outskirts. But our property taxes do!

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Tomorrow will be another cool day for the season. The temperature top out in the upper 60s to around 70°. It will be somewhat warmer on Tuesday with highs reaching the lower 70s. By Wednesday, the mercury will likely reach 80°. A sustained period of above normal temperatures will likely develop by midweek.

No exceptional heat appears likely through the first three weeks of June. However, that could change shortly afterward if some of the extended range guidance is correct. 

The ENSO Region 1+2 anomaly was +0.4°C and the Region 3.4 anomaly was 0.0°C for the week centered around June 4. For the past six weeks, the ENSO Region 1+2 anomaly has averaged +0.23°C and the ENSO Region 3.4 anomaly has averaged -0.07°C. Neutral ENSO conditions will likely continue through at least mid summer.

The SOI was -3.16 yesterday. 

The preliminary Arctic Oscillation (AO) was +0.402 today. 

Based on sensitivity analysis applied to the latest guidance, there is an implied 66% probability that New York City will have a warmer than normal June (1991-2020 normal). June will likely finish with a mean temperature near 73.3° (1.3° above normal). 

 

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  • 1960: A heat burst struck Kopperl, TX, located about 50 miles southwest of Fort Worth from a dying thunderstorm. As the air sank, it warmed to around 140°. When the heat burst struck the ground, winds fanned out at over 75 mph. People had to wrap themselves in wet blankets to protect themselves from the heat. All crops were destroyed by the heat. (Ref. Wilson Wx. History)

If this had been recorded at a weather station it would have been the highest ever verified temperature not only in the U.S.A. but on earth. I wonder what evidence existed for saying it was 140 degrees? 

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19 minutes ago, Roger Smith said:
  • 1960: A heat burst struck Kopperl, TX, located about 50 miles southwest of Fort Worth from a dying thunderstorm. As the air sank, it warmed to around 140°. When the heat burst struck the ground, winds fanned out at over 75 mph. People had to wrap themselves in wet blankets to protect themselves from the heat. All crops were destroyed by the heat. (Ref. Wilson Wx. History)

If this had been recorded at a weather station it would have been the highest ever verified temperature not only in the U.S.A. but on earth. I wonder what evidence existed for saying it was 140 degrees? 

I have written about this extensively, there were burnt crops and even burnt trees and burnt wooden doors.

 

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