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2025 ENSO/Winter Speculation


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7 hours ago, MJO812 said:

 

Nope not this year

Get your shovels ready

 

2 hours ago, 40/70 Benchmark said:

Keep it in your pants...for now-

 

9 hours ago, forkyfork said:

above normal temps, below normal snow. ez call

Hope springs eternal ……. And then ……. 
as always ……

 

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Wasn't a formal forecast but it was the right idea.  

Once the front winter onset terminates to inevitable warmup (whenever that happens ...) the question will become, does the aft half get back to business.  My present thinking is still leaning on reduced hours and a lot of unscheduled signs flipped to 'Sorry we're closed' (lol).  

I would never suspend January. Not yet anyway (sniff).   But sputtering into an early spring...?  why not. One of these flower Februaries.  

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28 minutes ago, Typhoon Tip said:

Wasn't a formal forecast but it was the right idea.  

Once the front winter onset terminates to inevitable warmup (whenever that happens ...) the question will become, does the aft half get back to business.  My present thinking is still leaning on reduced hours and a lot of unscheduled signs flipped to 'Sorry we're closed' (lol).  

I would never suspend January. Not yet anyway (sniff).   But sputtering into an early spring...?  why not. One of these flower Februaries.  

I vehemently disagree. 

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17 minutes ago, 40/70 Benchmark said:

I vehemently disagree. 

You'll probably be right ...  seasonal prediction's not my thing.  

I'm just basing that on part hunch, part knowledge related to -ENSOs of this bandwidth.  But I'm also of the mind that ENSO is often too heavily weighted in the game.  NP-GL-NE are modulated by polar index modes; I just see this year as having polar field abandonment issues later on. That leaves the continent S of ~45N vulnerable to early warmth.

I'm thinking along the lines of how big spring warmth has a correlation to preceding Ninas.  Not really the type of correlation the average engagement in here might accidentally stumble upon, much less ever pursue LOL.  

So experimental -

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10 minutes ago, Typhoon Tip said:

You'll probably be right ...  seasonal prediction's not my thing.  

I'm just basing that on part hunch, part knowledge related to -ENSOs of this bandwidth.  But I'm also of the mind that ENSO is often too heavily weighted in the game.  NP-GL-NE are modulated by polar index modes, and I just see this year as having polar field abandonment issues later on. 

I'm thinking along the lines of how big spring warmth has a correlation to preceding Ninas.  Not really the type of correlation the average engagement in here might accidentally stumble upon, much less ever pursue LOL.  

So experimental -

Yea, I def. see the rationale, but my issue with this is that, as you intimated, it's based solely on ENSO...which you have opined is becoming less of a forcing mechanism, anyway, but beside the point.  My concern with that kind of perfunctory (not meant in a derogatory-dickish way) is that it neglects the potential implications of the stratosphere, which is primed to have an influence this season given the extreme easterly QBO in concert with the high solar output and background cool ENSO. The implication of this, per my deep dive, is that we are especially prone to both episodic +TNH intervals born of stratospheric reflection events, which renders said polar field abandonment moot, and a subsequent major SSW that actually will result in a full reversal. 

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