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(Maybe the Not) Soon to be forgotten (Hurricane) Tammy 2023 thread


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A storm forming E of the Caribbean in the second half of October is something.  Possible threat to the N Lesser Antilles.  NHC forecast predicts interaction with the islands.  NHC is a bit W of most of the guidance, but I'm guessing they would rather low watches than raise watches on short notice.

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Hurricane Tammy Tropical Cyclone Update
NWS National Hurricane Center Miami FL       AL202023
1000 AM AST Fri Oct 20 2023

...TAMMY BECOMES A HURRICANE...

NOAA and Air Force Reserve hurricane hunter aircraft data indicate
that Tammy has become a hurricane. The maximum winds are estimated 
to be 75 mph (120 km/h) with higher gusts.  The initial and forecast 
intensities will be updated with the next advisory that will be 
issued at 1100 AM AST (1500 UTC). 

SUMMARY OF 1000 AM AST...1400 UTC...INFORMATION
-----------------------------------------------
LOCATION...14.1N 58.5W
ABOUT 90 MI...150 KM NE OF BARBADOS
ABOUT 170 MI...275 KM ESE OF MARTINIQUE
MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS...75 MPH...120 KM/H
PRESENT MOVEMENT...WNW OR 290 DEGREES AT 7 MPH...11 KM/H
MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE...992 MB...29.29 INCHES

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ECMWF wants Tammy to miss the trough and stall just north of Puerto Rico. It would likely be in a sheared environment there while in a blocked steering flow. The GFS still allows the trough to capture Tammy and bring it SE of Bermuda, then leaves it behind. The GFS does place Tammy in a better environment for intensification as it moves N, prior to a being left behind, however. Some of the TC models even show a major hurricane, though I'm not sure I buy that.ca22625fd6b6871032dd564ab339182f.jpg262af0f7332827384b7cdc1359ecbfaf.jpg

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Tammy has made a direct hit on the island of Barbuda. An official landfall as well.

Edit: The hospital in Barbuda recorded 78 kt sustained winds in the eyewall. Unofficial, of course; I am sure the station anemometer will need to be checked. Tammy has a very small core, but clearly, the LLC vorticity maximum remains healthy. Additionally, it is riding against the ridge to its NW. The gradient is strong, so I am not surprised at the wind reading if it is verified. Especially if elevated.



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Maybe not so soon to be forgotten? The 0Z UKMET has a mainly westbound to WNW moving Tammy hours 120-168:


HURRICANE TAMMY ANALYSED POSITION : 17.5N 61.5W

ATCF IDENTIFIER : AL202023

LEAD CENTRAL MAXIMUM WIND
VERIFYING TIME TIME POSITION PRESSURE (MB) SPEED (KNOTS)
-------------- ---- -------- ------------- -------------
0000UTC 22.10.2023 0 17.5N 61.5W 999 48
1200UTC 22.10.2023 12 18.7N 62.4W 1003 45
0000UTC 23.10.2023 24 19.8N 63.5W 1003 41
1200UTC 23.10.2023 36 20.8N 63.7W 1004 39
0000UTC 24.10.2023 48 21.7N 63.8W 1004 36
1200UTC 24.10.2023 60 22.1N 63.5W 1004 37
0000UTC 25.10.2023 72 21.2N 64.2W 1004 29
1200UTC 25.10.2023 84 21.4N 63.3W 1003 30
0000UTC 26.10.2023 96 21.7N 62.2W 1001 31
1200UTC 26.10.2023 108 23.5N 61.7W 999 37
0000UTC 27.10.2023 120 24.9N 61.7W 999 41
1200UTC 27.10.2023 132 25.9N 63.7W 999 39
0000UTC 28.10.2023 144 26.6N 66.8W 998 40
1200UTC 28.10.2023 156 26.2N 69.4W 997 36
0000UTC 29.10.2023 168 26.4N 71.2W 1000 37

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1 hour ago, GaWx said:

Maybe not so soon to be forgotten? The 0Z UKMET has a mainly westbound to WNW moving Tammy hours 120-168:


HURRICANE TAMMY ANALYSED POSITION : 17.5N 61.5W

ATCF IDENTIFIER : AL202023

LEAD CENTRAL MAXIMUM WIND
VERIFYING TIME TIME POSITION PRESSURE (MB) SPEED (KNOTS)
-------------- ---- -------- ------------- -------------
0000UTC 22.10.2023 0 17.5N 61.5W 999 48
1200UTC 22.10.2023 12 18.7N 62.4W 1003 45
0000UTC 23.10.2023 24 19.8N 63.5W 1003 41
1200UTC 23.10.2023 36 20.8N 63.7W 1004 39
0000UTC 24.10.2023 48 21.7N 63.8W 1004 36
1200UTC 24.10.2023 60 22.1N 63.5W 1004 37
0000UTC 25.10.2023 72 21.2N 64.2W 1004 29
1200UTC 25.10.2023 84 21.4N 63.3W 1003 30
0000UTC 26.10.2023 96 21.7N 62.2W 1001 31
1200UTC 26.10.2023 108 23.5N 61.7W 999 37
0000UTC 27.10.2023 120 24.9N 61.7W 999 41
1200UTC 27.10.2023 132 25.9N 63.7W 999 39
0000UTC 28.10.2023 144 26.6N 66.8W 998 40
1200UTC 28.10.2023 156 26.2N 69.4W 997 36
0000UTC 29.10.2023 168 26.4N 71.2W 1000 37

I thought the name of this thread was a little imbecilic anyways. I knew this could be a hurricane and could get close to the islands. I don't know why so many were so immediately negative on development chances. The wave was strong, model guidance supported development, and we've had 20 named storms this hurricane season.

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I thought the name of this thread was a little imbecilic anyways. I knew this could be a hurricane and could get close to the islands. I don't know why so many were so immediately negative on development chances. The wave was strong, model guidance supported development, and we've had 20 named storms this hurricane season.


Shear. Development? Sure. But a long duration hurricane? Very unsure.. A few clicks west, even now, and this vortex gets shredded. And any amount of poor modeling of that shear axis might still not account for it getting shredded tomorrow. For a hurricane, Tammy has been living on the edge. It has remained just barely east of some very strong shear values and has kept pulsing just enough to maintain its open eyewall. Even the more NNW turn likely kept the mid-level circulation from being decapitated tonight. I never expected Tammy to become a hurricane, and I definitely didn't think it would remain one this long.

That being said, the title could use a bit of an edit, @Ed, snow and hurricane fan


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46 minutes ago, Windspeed said:

 


Shear. Development? Sure. But a long duration hurricane? Very unsure.. A few clicks west, even now, and this vortex gets shredded. And any amount of poor modeling of that shear axis might still not account for it getting shredded tomorrow. For a hurricane, Tammy has been living on the edge. It has remained just barely east of some very strong shear values and has kept pulsing just enough to maintain its open eyewall. Even the more NNW turn likely kept the mid-level circulation from being decapitated tonight. I never expected Tammy to become a hurricane, and I definitely didn't think it would remain one this long.

That being said, the title could use a bit of an edit, @Ed, snow and hurricane fan

 

 

After Philippe made it all the way to Barbuda, I became slightly more bullish on Tammy making it further west. 

I often find myself a little more bullish in general with regards to October hurricanes. I've seen many systems struggle until they near the Caribbean and then find a more safe harbor for development. Iris 2001, Lili 2002, Tomas 2010, etc. 

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6 hours ago, Windspeed said:

 


Shear. Development? Sure. But a long duration hurricane? Very unsure.. A few clicks west, even now, and this vortex gets shredded. And any amount of poor modeling of that shear axis might still not account for it getting shredded tomorrow. For a hurricane, Tammy has been living on the edge. It has remained just barely east of some very strong shear values and has kept pulsing just enough to maintain its open eyewall. Even the more NNW turn likely kept the mid-level circulation from being decapitated tonight. I never expected Tammy to become a hurricane, and I definitely didn't think it would remain one this long.

That being said, the title could use a bit of an edit, @Ed, snow and hurricane fan

 

 

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2 hours ago, Ed, snow and hurricane fan said:

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 The 0Z UKMET at the end (168) has a 590 dm H5 ridge centered over the GOM and a trough dipping down into the SW US (see image below) moving very slowly E with TS Tammy blocked in and thus then moving just N of due W at just under 10 mph. It is hard to tell what she would do after this point had the maps gone out further although a subsequent continued W heading would be most likely at first although soon after I would think it would start to recurve as the blocking high eventually weakens and gives way:
 

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12Z UKMET: similar to 0Z run with a W heading 108-168 at ~10 mph slightly N of 0Z run:

HURRICANE TAMMY      ANALYSED POSITION : 18.9N  62.6W

     ATCF IDENTIFIER : AL202023

                        LEAD                 CENTRAL     MAXIMUM WIND
      VERIFYING TIME    TIME   POSITION   PRESSURE (MB)  SPEED (KNOTS)
      --------------    ----   --------   -------------  -------------
    1200UTC 22.10.2023    0  18.9N  62.6W      998            50
    0000UTC 23.10.2023   12  20.2N  63.8W     1000            38
    1200UTC 23.10.2023   24  21.4N  63.7W     1001            42
    0000UTC 24.10.2023   36  22.2N  63.3W     1000            42
    1200UTC 24.10.2023   48  22.6N  62.9W     1001            38
    0000UTC 25.10.2023   60  22.8N  62.6W     1001            30
    1200UTC 25.10.2023   72  23.7N  61.4W      999            36
    0000UTC 26.10.2023   84  25.0N  59.7W      996            54
    1200UTC 26.10.2023   96  26.7N  59.1W      995            49
    0000UTC 27.10.2023  108  27.2N  61.0W      997            43
    1200UTC 27.10.2023  120  27.7N  64.0W      998            45
    0000UTC 28.10.2023  132  27.7N  67.7W      995            39
    1200UTC 28.10.2023  144  27.5N  69.8W      997            36
    0000UTC 29.10.2023  156  27.6N  71.5W     1000            37
    1200UTC 29.10.2023  168  27.2N  73.4W     1003            33
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No recon tomorrow or Tuesday.

 

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000
NOUS42 KNHC 221345
REPRPD
WEATHER RECONNAISSANCE FLIGHTS
CARCAH, NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER, MIAMI, FL.
0945 AM EDT SUN 22 OCTOBER 2023
SUBJECT: TROPICAL CYCLONE PLAN OF THE DAY (TCPOD)
         VALID 23/1100Z TO 24/1100Z OCTOBER 2023
         TCPOD NUMBER.....23-145

I.  ATLANTIC REQUIREMENTS
    1. NEGATIVE RECONNAISSANCE REQUIREMENTS.
    2. OUTLOOK FOR SUCCEEDING DAY.....NEGATIVE.

II. PACIFIC REQUIREMENTS
    1. NEGATIVE RECONNAISSANCE REQUIREMENTS.
    2. OUTLOOK FOR SUCCEEDING DAY.....NEGATIVE.

$$
WJM

NNNN

 

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0Z GFS/CMC: keep it well OTS from Bahamas/CONUS

0Z ICON: after initially going NE turns west and goes into S FL at 180 as a weakening low

0Z UKMET: similarly to at least last two runs it first goes NNE and later turns WSW at 10 mph making it to 150 miles E of the N Bahamas at 168 while then weakening:

HURRICANE TAMMY      ANALYSED POSITION : 20.3N  63.8W

     ATCF IDENTIFIER : AL202023

                        LEAD                 CENTRAL     MAXIMUM WIND
      VERIFYING TIME    TIME   POSITION   PRESSURE (MB)  SPEED (KNOTS)
      --------------    ----   --------   -------------  -------------
    0000UTC 23.10.2023    0  20.3N  63.8W      999            47
    1200UTC 23.10.2023   12  21.7N  64.5W     1001            37
    0000UTC 24.10.2023   24  22.3N  63.5W      999            39
    1200UTC 24.10.2023   36  22.9N  62.8W      998            37
    0000UTC 25.10.2023   48  23.5N  61.6W      997            36
    1200UTC 25.10.2023   60  24.9N  60.0W      993            43
    0000UTC 26.10.2023   72  26.7N  58.6W      988            57
    1200UTC 26.10.2023   84  28.9N  58.1W      992            44
    0000UTC 27.10.2023   96  29.8N  59.5W      997            48
    1200UTC 27.10.2023  108  29.9N  62.1W     1000            41
    0000UTC 28.10.2023  120  30.0N  65.8W      998            46
    1200UTC 28.10.2023  132  30.3N  67.9W     1001            36
    0000UTC 29.10.2023  144  29.5N  70.3W     1001            34
    1200UTC 29.10.2023  156  28.0N  72.6W     1003            31
    0000UTC 30.10.2023  168  27.2N  74.7W     1006            30

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12Z UKMET changes its mind and doesn’t bring Tammy back W like prior 3+ runs:

HURRICANE TAMMY      ANALYSED POSITION : 21.4N  64.2W

     ATCF IDENTIFIER : AL202023

                        LEAD                 CENTRAL     MAXIMUM WIND
      VERIFYING TIME    TIME   POSITION   PRESSURE (MB)  SPEED (KNOTS)
      --------------    ----   --------   -------------  -------------
    1200UTC 23.10.2023    0  21.4N  64.2W     1004            37
    0000UTC 24.10.2023   12  22.3N  63.7W     1002            42
    1200UTC 24.10.2023   24  23.0N  62.8W     1001            38
    0000UTC 25.10.2023   36  23.7N  61.5W      998            41
    1200UTC 25.10.2023   48  24.6N  60.3W      997            42
    0000UTC 26.10.2023   60  26.9N  58.1W      993            53
    1200UTC 26.10.2023   72  29.5N  57.9W      993            47
    0000UTC 27.10.2023   84  30.3N  59.1W      993            46
    1200UTC 27.10.2023   96  31.1N  61.0W      996            43
    0000UTC 28.10.2023  108  31.9N  62.9W      995            43
    1200UTC 28.10.2023  120  33.0N  63.3W      998            35
    0000UTC 29.10.2023  132  33.6N  62.4W      995            36
    1200UTC 29.10.2023  144  34.2N  60.4W      998            38
    0000UTC 30.10.2023  156  33.9N  58.6W     1002            32
    1200UTC 30.10.2023  168  33.3N  56.9W     1006            29

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