New England snowstorm memories.

[The 4 Seasons]

3 minutes ago, dendrite said:

80s for highs days before and a lot of the snow accumulated during the day for ORH.

Toss those sun angle arguments long and far if you have the temps and rates. 

and if you dont, you can still get white rain in Dec/Jan with a very low sun angle just because temps/rates were not good. Jan 2006 i was in the mid 30s with not great rates but it snowed all day and accumulated like a 1:1 inch of pure clear slush. Crazy elevation event here in CT. Some reports within the same town varied from 1-12"

[vortex95]

3 minutes ago, dendrite said:

80s for highs days before and a lot of the snow accumulated during the day for ORH.

Toss those sun angle arguments long and far if you have the temps and rates. 

And I am so sick of OCMs and other people saying before any out-of-season event, "the ground is too warm!"  FALSE!  Sure, at the start if the snow it is, but once intensity picks up and you get relentless phase change cooling from the melting snowflakes on the ground, the warm issue goes away very quickly!
 

And in other parts of the country, it is even more extreme.  Early Sep 1993, DEN was 92 for a high one day, and the next day they had 5" of snow.  And this:

4/9/1988
Residents of Sioux City, Iowa awoke to find 2 inches of snow on
the ground following a record high of 88 degrees the previous
afternoon.

[SJonesWX]

1 hour ago, dendrite said:

I had 25” in Auburn, NH as a final event depth…no clearing.

that area down and over to Dover got smoked in that storm

[vortex95]

3 minutes ago, The 4 Seasons said:

and if you dont, you can still get white rain in Dec/Jan with a very low sun angle just because temps/rates were not good. Jan 2006 i was in the mid 30s with not great rates but it snowed all day and accumulated like a 1:1 inch of pure clear slush. Crazy elevation event here in CT. Some reports within the same town varied from 1-12"

"White rain"  LOL.  Reminds of what ski areas say when it rains, "LIQUID SNOW!" 

I recall one time it was -RA in CLE and the 1000-500 thickness was 525.  That's impressive for lower elevations. Partial thicknesses count!  Can't use the 1000-500 layer in a vacuum.  540 works best for low elevations.

[The 4 Seasons]

14 minutes ago, vortex95 said:

"White rain"  LOL.  Reminds of what ski areas say when it rains, "LIQUID SNOW!" 

I recall one time it was -RA in CLE and the 1000-500 thickness was 525.  That's impressive for lower elevations. Partial thicknesses count!  Can't use the 1000-500 layer in a vacuum.  540 works best for low elevations.

lol you never heard that term before? i know you've had to. Snow that falls but doesnt accumulate, might as well be rain. hence, white rain. 

[vortex95]

4 minutes ago, The 4 Seasons said:

lol you never heard that term before? i know you've had to. Snow that falls but doesnt accumulate, might as well be rain. hence, white rain. 

I honestly have not heard it before this term, but you learn something new every day, even in your field of expertise.

How about this? -- "noddles."  They are raindrops that still have some slush left in them, and you get "cats paws" on the car windshield!

[The 4 Seasons]

2 minutes ago, vortex95 said:

I honestly have not heard it before this term, but you learn something new every day, even in your field of expertise.

How about this? -- "noddles."  They are raindrops that still have some slush left in them, and you get "cats paws" on the car windshield!

interesting never heard that before.

Yeah, white rain is a common term on here. It's the worst. 

[Ginx snewx]

1 hour ago, vortex95 said:

I honestly have not heard it before this term, but you learn something new every day, even in your field of expertise.

How about this? -- "noddles."  They are raindrops that still have some slush left in them, and you get "cats paws" on the car windshield!

"NCP" non crystallized precipitation was often used in ski area reports 

[vortex95]

21 minutes ago, Ginx snewx said:

"NCP" non crystallized precipitation was often used in ski area reports 

Ooo, make it sound "techy" or arcane as if that makes them appear "in the know" about types of precip. 

It's all just doublespeak, plain and simple!  Yes, I get the business and marketing aspect of it, but deceiving people and insulting their intelligence is not a good thing from a societal POV.

[CoastalWx]

5 hours ago, vortex95 said:

CoastalWx was mad I bet b/c GHG was in a relative mind for snowfall!  He hadn't moved to Dorchester yet!!!

I had over 2 feet in that. We were buried

[CoastalWx]

10 hours ago, The 4 Seasons said:

Today (and tomorrow) is the 23rd anniversary of PDII. For that i have refreshed the maps for the event and created a new L Northeast map as well. It is Bostons #1 all time storm and BDRs #2 all time and only the 2nd time ever they reached 20" or more. 15-28" at every single climate site in OKX and BOX is impressive. 

Full radar/sfc loops up here:

https://www.jdjweatherconsulting.com/feb-16-17-2003

A similar type storm we had on Jan 25-26th was almost on the level for SNE but id say about a couple/few inches lower on average. 

 

My area got hit hard. I was in NJ for that storm actually (was good there) but there was over 2’ in Marshfield. That 18 is spurious. 

[ORH_wxman]

BOS 27.6 in that is fake too. They measured too frequently. I remember the scandal at the time but for some reason they just let the total stand 

[The 4 Seasons]

19 hours ago, ORH_wxman said:

BOS 27.6 in that is fake too. They measured too frequently. I remember the scandal at the time but for some reason they just let the total stand 

more than 6 hours? That's a shame since it's their #1

Edit: also that would mean NYC has a higher #1 than BOS, whats BOS #2? 78 with 27.1?

21 hours ago, CoastalWx said:

My area got hit hard. I was in NJ for that storm actually (was good there) but there was over 2’ in Marshfield. That 18 is spurious. 

I can def fix that 18 in Marshfield if you think it's too low. Their final PNS on Feb 19th has Marshfield 18" there is no times next to the numbers so its assumed everything is final, doesn't mean it still can't be wrong 

[The 4 Seasons]

I just finished March 4-6th, 2001. 

I'm never revisiting that one ever again.

What a complete mess on the PNS across all CWAs. COOP stuff is all over the place. Its a 65 hour storm so different measuring techniques caused massive differences in totals. The PNS has totals that dont make sense and end at 7AM Tue or Tue night or Wed. All the climo sites are probably wrong. BDR too high? BDL definitely too low. ORH makes sense but Will says its too low bc they stopped measuring. SWCT low totals are suspicious. etc etc. A nightmare. But i feel decent about it and increased the ranges significantly and leaned aggressive. 

Ironically the totals around here line up perfectly 15.5-16"

I will post on March 4th. 

[CoastalWx]

49 minutes ago, The 4 Seasons said:

more than 6 hours? That's a shame since it's their #1

Edit: also that would mean NYC has a higher #1 than BOS, whats BOS #2? 78 with 27.1?

I can def fix that 18 in Marshfield if you think it's too low. Their final PNS on Feb 19th has Marshfield 18" there is no times next to the numbers so its assumed everything is final, doesn't mean it still can't be wrong 

I had pics on here but not sure if I deleted them to make room. I think I did.