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NYC/PHL Dec 26-27 Potential - Part 4


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It's def. a whiff. I'm just interested to see what we might accomplish as far as upper level trends.

there's a ton of energy.. that's for sure.. it's just so sheared out and symetrical... the energy is basically just following the flow pattern, but it's not doing enough to tilt this thing. It's like we need another sharp embedded shortwave in there to help tilt it negative or something like that.

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there's a ton of energy.. that's for sure.. it's just so sheared out and symetrical... the energy is basically just following the flow pattern, but it's not doing enough to tilt this thing. It's like we need another sharp embedded shortwave in there to help tilt it negative or something like that.

So the northern stream appears to be running the show here? Is that correct?

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The positives I take from the NAM is that the right side trough going through Wisconsin and Missouri is a good deal further west. If the southern wave would have been stronger and phased early, I believe that would have allowed for more digging as well and a more west up the coast track. Hopefully people are correct in saying the NAM poorly analyzes the southern stream wave past 48 hours. If it would have kept the southern wave stronger, the phase could have happened better.

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Because this model was designed originally to be run for only 48 hrs and they extended it to 84 hrs. It is best in the 48 hrs range. This is past its best range, that is one of the reasons it loses it.

Very true, but why has it remained so constant with the degenration of the s/w piece of energy?

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So the northern stream appears to be running the show here? Is that correct?

oh yea, definitely it's taken over. Once you get to about 60 hours or so and you animate it beyond there, there is shear vorticity essentially circulating around the system, however, the height contours remain pretty constant, so essentially the same amounts of vorticity is advecting to the same area, so there really isn't one particular area in which there is a tremendous amount of vorticity advection.

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The differences at H5 18Z vs 00z NAM are actually quite astounding. Look at the significant shift SW in the entire mean trough position, the much higher heights off the SE US coast and closer in s/w on the 00z run. The ridge in the West is also poking up further NE in Canada. Still too little too late for the surface reflection, but if we're seeing these kinds of major changes at 60 hrs out, we've got a ways to go here.

18Z NAM valid 72 hrs

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00z NAM valid 66 hrs

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there's a ton of energy.. that's for sure.. it's just so sheared out and symetrical... the energy is basically just following the flow pattern, but it's not doing enough to tilt this thing. It's like we need another sharp embedded shortwave in there to help tilt it negative or something like that.

Close but no cigar. Definitely need this to sharpen up to give us a better outcome. Is that possible? Sure. Is it likely at this point? Probably not but still worthy of watching the rest of 0z runs and even 12z runs tomorrow before completely throwing in the towel.

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