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January 2021 Medium/Longterm Pattern Discussion.


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Just looking at the 6z Euro and 12z GEM, not sure this system on the 11th and 12th will be benign.  If anything our northern MS posters have something to track for a bit.  The 6z Euro was sneaking frozen precip into the forum area.  12z GEM is just west of that.  The GFS was terrible with the current system.  Now, not saying everyone received snow, but it failed to identify any snow in NE TN until the last minute.  Euro was too aggressive...GFS to weak.  As John noted, the Canadian has been during fairly well.  Might be a bit too amped at times with accums, but did ok.  The RGEM identified the Sullivan Co snow band at decent range this last time.  Would not surprise me at all that the GFS is just too washed out.

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Interesting discussion by Joe D'Aleo today about the lack of airplane data, specifically less data about jet streams.  This is nothing new, but he floated the idea that some of the bouncing around of modeling at LR may well be to lack of sample data.  He did note that the Euro takes the cold from the strat split to Asia, and the American/Canadian models now bring it to NA.  This creates a much different look over NA after the 20th.  Now, it is still entirely possible the mother load of the cold stuff is going to dump into the West - can find very few LR models that show it make inroads into the East.  However, though 500 maps like like poo, the actual surface maps are much colder between the MS River and the spine of the Apps - speaking after d10. If a piece of the TPV drops into southern Canada, which I actually think is likely(I like the GFS with strat splits), then that cold may well push eastward and fight the SER shown on most modeling.  Anyway, just going to close by re-iterating that we may be lacking some of our normal data which drives modeling...and is causing some wider than normal variation.  That may well be contributing to models taking a longer than normal time to hone-in on a solution with winter storms.  Of note, like John, I feel the Canadian has done remarkable well with both short, medium, and LR work.  I think the chances for a major winter storm along the EC are increasing as the cold drops south and interacts with a ridge that will allow storms to climb along the EC.

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Looking like the AO could tank around week 3,GFS  wants to drop the bomb in the long range and finally shows a decent PNA,would be the coldest we've seen in decades if it were to be believed

 

GFS 0.5 Degree FORECAST FOR: BNA    LAT=  36.12 LON=  -86.68 ELE=   591

                                            12Z JAN08   * - APPROXIMATED
                 SFC     SFC     2 M     SFC     SFC     SFC    6 HR    TOTAL
                 MXT     MNT     TMP     DEW     WIND    PCP     QPF    CLOUD
                 (F)     (F)     (F)     (F)    (KTS)   TYPES   (IN)    (PCT)
FRI 12Z 08-JAN                  33.8    29.1    01008                           
FRI 18Z 08-JAN  35.3    33.4    35.1    31.6    34008           0.00     100    
SAT 00Z 09-JAN  36.4    34.1    34.3    29.3    34007           0.00     100    
SAT 06Z 09-JAN  34.3    30.8    30.8    26.4    33005           0.00      95    
SAT 12Z 09-JAN  30.7    28.3    28.4    25.2    34005           0.00      97    
SAT 18Z 09-JAN  33.9    28.2    33.9    23.7    36006           0.00      90    
SUN 00Z 10-JAN  35.2    31.2    31.4    24.4    01005           0.00      71    
SUN 06Z 10-JAN  31.6    28.0    28.1    23.5    01003           0.00      44    
SUN 12Z 10-JAN  27.9    26.6    26.6    22.9    01003           0.00       9    
SUN 18Z 10-JAN  39.1    26.5    39.1    23.9    02004           0.00      13    
MON 00Z 11-JAN  40.4    32.9    32.9    23.5    35003           0.00      89    
MON 06Z 11-JAN  32.9    29.9    30.2    24.5    01003           0.00      52    
MON 12Z 11-JAN  30.4    29.0    29.2    24.7    02003           0.00      88    
MON 18Z 11-JAN  38.8    29.6    37.5    31.3    10002     SN    0.02     100    
TUE 00Z 12-JAN  37.4    34.7    35.1    34.5    33002     SN    0.13     100    
TUE 06Z 12-JAN  35.7    34.8    35.1    33.8    32005           0.03     100    
TUE 12Z 12-JAN  34.9    29.4    29.4    27.8    32004           0.00      52    
TUE 18Z 12-JAN  42.3    28.7    42.2    28.2    29002           0.00       8    
WED 00Z 13-JAN  43.7    35.3    35.3    28.1    24004           0.00       0    
WED 06Z 13-JAN  35.2    31.2    31.2    26.5    22004           0.00       0    
WED 12Z 13-JAN  31.2    29.6    29.6    26.0    20005           0.00       0    
WED 18Z 13-JAN  45.3    29.5    45.3    32.6    22007           0.00       0    
THU 00Z 14-JAN  47.3    38.5    38.5    33.4    20005           0.00      12    
THU 06Z 14-JAN  38.6    35.4    35.5    33.7    20006           0.00      33    
THU 12Z 14-JAN  35.5    33.5    33.5    32.7    19006           0.00      16    
THU 18Z 14-JAN  50.1    33.5    50.1    38.9    20010           0.00      18    
FRI 00Z 15-JAN  53.3    45.1    45.1    39.0    22007           0.00       0    
FRI 06Z 15-JAN  45.1    40.4    41.2    35.1    31010           0.02      63    
FRI 12Z 15-JAN  41.1    34.0    34.0    28.5    25007           0.00      57    
FRI 18Z 15-JAN  39.8    33.8    39.7    24.0    28012     SN    0.00      24    
SAT 00Z 16-JAN  40.1    34.3    34.3    25.0    29007           0.01      99    
SAT 06Z 16-JAN  34.2    28.3    28.3    21.1    30005           0.00      64    
SAT 12Z 16-JAN  28.3    26.4    26.4    16.6    28007           0.00      41    
SAT 18Z 16-JAN  34.9    26.1    34.9    15.2    26005           0.00      67    
SUN 00Z 17-JAN  38.8    34.1    34.9    21.3    19006           0.00      66    
SUN 06Z 17-JAN  35.9    34.1    35.7    22.5    20010           0.00     100    
SUN 12Z 17-JAN  36.2    35.2    35.7    24.9    20010           0.00     100    
SUN 18Z 17-JAN  44.4    35.5    44.4    33.3    23012           0.00     100    
MON 00Z 18-JAN  45.4    36.0    35.9    28.0    29008           0.00      78    
MON 06Z 18-JAN  36.2    30.1    30.1    22.6    30007           0.00      90    
MON 12Z 18-JAN  29.9    27.1    27.3    22.2    24005           0.00      25    
MON 18Z 18-JAN  43.0    27.1    43.0    24.9    27008           0.00       2    
TUE 00Z 19-JAN  45.2    36.6    36.5    27.5    24005           0.00      22    
TUE 06Z 19-JAN  36.5    32.1    32.1    26.6    23002           0.00      20    
TUE 12Z 19-JAN  32.0    28.5    28.6    25.2    05004           0.00      74    
TUE 18Z 19-JAN  43.8    28.1    43.8    28.6    07002           0.00      70    
WED 00Z 20-JAN  45.2    38.4    38.4    27.6    03008           0.00      97    
WED 06Z 20-JAN  38.4    30.1    30.2    29.1    06007     SN    0.13     100    
WED 12Z 20-JAN  30.3    28.5    28.5    27.7    03009     SN    0.21     100    
WED 18Z 20-JAN  31.6    26.8    31.6    30.4    00008           0.09      91    
THU 00Z 21-JAN  31.9    24.0    24.0    21.4    33003           0.00      75    
THU 06Z 21-JAN  23.7    20.6    20.9    17.3    23003           0.00       0    
THU 12Z 21-JAN  22.2    20.1    21.8    18.6    21006           0.00       0    
THU 18Z 21-JAN  31.9    21.8    31.5    29.1    28009     SN    0.00      54    
FRI 00Z 22-JAN  31.6    23.8    23.8    19.4    31008           0.02      98    
FRI 06Z 22-JAN  23.6    14.2    14.2     8.5    31008           0.00      68    
FRI 12Z 22-JAN  14.0     7.7     7.8     1.8    31007           0.00      22    
FRI 18Z 22-JAN  13.1     7.1    13.1     3.7    31009           0.00      61    
SAT 00Z 23-JAN  14.0    10.6    10.6     4.0    31006     SN    0.01     100    
SAT 06Z 23-JAN  10.6     5.9     6.0    -1.0    31005           0.00      69    
SAT 12Z 23-JAN   5.8     3.1     3.1    -4.2    30005           0.00       0    
SAT 18Z 23-JAN  12.3     2.7    12.3     2.5    30007           0.00       4    
SUN 00Z 24-JAN  15.6    10.4    11.1     5.4    28003           0.00      23    
SUN 06Z 24-JAN  11.2     9.4     9.5     4.6    24002           0.00       0    
SUN 12Z 24-JAN   9.6     8.7     9.0     3.8    14002           0.00       9    


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36 minutes ago, Carvers Gap said:

Just looking at the 6z Euro and 12z GEM, not sure this system on the 11th and 12th will be benign.  If anything our northern MS posters have something to track for a bit.  The 6z Euro was sneaking frozen precip into the forum area.  12z GEM is just west of that.  The GFS was terrible with the current system.  Now, not saying everyone received snow, but it failed to identify any snow in NE TN until the last minute.  Euro was too aggressive...GFS to weak.  As John noted, the Canadian has been during fairly well.  Might be a bit too amped at times with accums, but did ok.  The RGEM identified the Sullivan Co snow band at decent range this last time.  Would not surprise me at all that the GFS is just too washed out.

Yeah, definitely don't want to come across as saying it's not happening.  My post was regarding Tennesseans.  Just when looking at everything there doesn't appear to be much of a chance for anything greater than a possible 1-2, type of event once to Tennessee. 

Certainly for our brothers and sisters just south of the TN border in northern MS and northern AL I'd be keeping a much more watchful eye on this one.  Chances for a 3-6" type system may set up somewhere in their location.

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12 euro did come back nw some there, it had less of a punch but it did come back northwest some. But right now I am preparing for being 0-2, first wave didn't even get rain in my area and there was a scant flurry it you looked real hard this morning. Otherwise nothing, but at least I was expecting anything from wave 1 and it actually did better for some than expected.

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8 minutes ago, Carvers Gap said:

Was looking a bit more closely...looks like that storm is really affected by time of day.  I like that track quite a bit.  Just going to have to watch it.  

With lows generally in the 20's and daytime highs in the mid 30's to around 40 from now until the system comes in I agree we will need to watch it.  If the timing can speed up a 1/2 day there would likely be morning road issues somewhere in Tennessee (most likely west)............ not to mention the possible issues in northern MS and possibly AL where heavier precip will be closer in proximity.

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16 minutes ago, Carvers Gap said:

Was looking a bit more closely...looks like that storm is really affected by time of day.  I like that track quite a bit.  Just going to have to watch it.  

 Was thinking the same thing in terms of time of day this arrives.  Could make or break the storm for some folks.  

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40 minutes ago, Holston_River_Rambler said:

My heart just skipped a beat Holston!!!! lol.  Thanks for sharing buddy, I just hope that piece of energy doesn’t shear out as it moves north from Mississippi  into Tennessee.  High temp is forecasted at 37 on Monday right now for MBY, hopefully that holds or moves down a tad between now and then.

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Went ahead and posted a thread for this system.  It's almost universally modeled that at least Mississippi gets snow here. I know we have a Miss poster and would actually welcome more or even Louisiana posters. We welcome anyone in the SEC footprint*.

 

*SC/Fla/GA posters are doody heads with their own subforum. 

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Just now, John1122 said:

Went ahead and posted a thread for this system.  It's almost universally modeled that at least Mississippi gets snow here. I know we have a Miss poster and would actually welcome more or even Louisiana posters. We welcome anyone in the SEC footprint*.

 

*SC/Fla/GA posters are doody heads with their own subforum. 

Thanks John, I was hoping somebody else would make one cause I was afraid I’d jinx myself and others in north miss/ west Tn if I made one.  

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18z RGEM looked pretty good for western areas of the forum - I agree.  Also, it had a bit of an icy look on the northern fringe.  Think maybe it was tnweathernut who said he thought the high over the top would have trouble moving.  Ice stuff here is often very tough for modeling to pick-up on.  Almost always occurs when WAA gets over the top of cold valley locations.  Not saying that happens, but seeing the RGEM hint at that made my power lines shiver.

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As a matter of fact, almost the entire region is barely above freezing on the RGEM.  WAA may scour that out...but it looks like that return flow has passed to our east east, because the low goes to our southeast - meaning that the warm nose would be limited on that particular model run.  Just toggle to temps and look on TT.   That is like the coldest possible rain without ZR or SN.

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Since there is no college football now, might as well watch the GFS's antics:

 

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Here's the old FV3 we all know and love!

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Just having some fun with this one, please don't take it too seriously, it is the GFS after all. 

New GFS has a (seemingly) suppressed system around this time frame though. 

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