Solution Man Posted December 29, 2020 Share Posted December 29, 2020 9 minutes ago, JoMo said: WSW up for Wichita area: Look for several inches inches I expect the NWS to pull the trigger tomorrow in the K.C. area Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockchalk83 Posted December 29, 2020 Share Posted December 29, 2020 One thing to watch will be if a large complex of storms can develop in the warm sector, thereby pulling the system southeast and, perhaps, limiting accumulations of ice/snow. The waffling will continue, obviously, but I think going forward, that's going to be where the game is played. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StormChazer Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 Can someone more meteorologically inclined than myself answer this question? If this system drops 4-5 inches of snow to the NE of Tulsa in a line parallel to the front, can that snowpack actually push the freezing line forward the next day further than if it didn’t snow? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StormChazer Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 12Z NAM coming in weaker, leading to a larger freezing precip area. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solution Man Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 Not bad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Waterboy Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 I’ve held out hope until now but looks like it’s time to tap out for those of us in NW AR. Not happening this time. Hopefully you guys north and west cash in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockchalk83 Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 46 minutes ago, Solution Man said: Not bad We take. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solution Man Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 That’s right brother....GFS up next Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockchalk83 Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 1 hour ago, StormChazer said: Can someone more meteorologically inclined than myself answer this question? If this system drops 4-5 inches of snow to the NE of Tulsa in a line parallel to the front, can that snowpack actually push the freezing line forward the next day further than if it didn’t snow? Generally, if the snowpack falls over a wide area, it can act as a refrigerant (lack of a better phrase here) to lock in the cold airmass. In this instance, the winds are coming from the south and there will be intense theta-e advection over the cold, which may actually enhance the potential for icing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stormdragonwx Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 2 hours ago, The Waterboy said: I’ve held out hope until now but looks like it’s time to tap out for those of us in NW AR. Not happening this time. Hopefully you guys north and west cash in. Yup typical 33 and rain again. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockchalk83 Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 Looks like model initializations were all over the place on the 00z suite of runs. It is interesting to note that the 06z HRRR (48 hrs) was among the colder of the models, with a larger area of sleet and snow. Will be something to follow today as that could significantly ratchet up snow totals for western Oklahoma into Kansas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StormChazer Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 Snowing up here in Owasso. Big flakes, mixed with rain, definitely won’t stick but nice to look at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StormChazer Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 Going to have to correct myself. It’s been snowing heavy now and stuff is starting to turn white. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wx 24/7 Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 We are down to 35 here in Monett on my backyard thermometer. This is a bit earlier than the models advertised I believe. May not make a huge difference in the scheme of things, but there you have it. Looks like the theme of this winter may be near misses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wx 24/7 Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 16 minutes ago, StormChazer said: Going to have to correct myself. It’s been snowing heavy now and stuff is starting to turn white. Enjoy! What's your temp? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solution Man Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 16 minutes ago, StormChazer said: Going to have to correct myself. It’s been snowing heavy now and stuff is starting to turn white. Good sign...more snow less ice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wx 24/7 Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 Just now, Solution Man said: Good sign...more snow less ice. Did you get much ice yesterday? I have friends up near Osborne who lost vehicle windshields due to falling limbs. They were out of power for a while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoMo Posted December 30, 2020 Author Share Posted December 30, 2020 Just a couple degrees difference in multiple layers of the atmosphere and it's a massive snowstorm for all. So close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solution Man Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 3 minutes ago, Wx 24/7 said: Did you get much ice yesterday? I have friends up near Osborne who lost vehicle windshields due to falling limbs. They were out of power for a while. Probably two tenths, temps hovered around 30 all day. But this one will be different, predictions are near half inch ice and up to 6 inches snow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solution Man Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 1 minute ago, JoMo said: Just a couple degrees difference in multiple layers of the atmosphere and it's a massive snowstorm for all. So close. You hit it on the head, we need to watch how strong cold surge is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wx 24/7 Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 Joplin airport ob says 33 and snow. JoMo... you seeing snow? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoMo Posted December 30, 2020 Author Share Posted December 30, 2020 1 minute ago, Wx 24/7 said: Joplin airport ob says 33 and snow. JoMo... you seeing snow? Yep. Big flakes, but not a fast rate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoMo Posted December 30, 2020 Author Share Posted December 30, 2020 Huge flakes and decent rate now..... Snowglobe! Probably quarter to 1/2 dollar sized flakes. Edit: Steadier snow now with smaller flakes. Grass almost covered and accumulations happening on roads even. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solution Man Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 19 minutes ago, JoMo said: Huge flakes and decent rate now..... Snowglobe! Probably quarter to 1/2 dollar sized flakes. Edit: Steadier snow now with smaller flakes. Grass almost covered and accumulations happening on roads even. Nice, congrats 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weatherdemon Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 Coming down nice at 51st and Sheridan in Tulsa. Pretty fat flakes! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockchalk83 Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 It is interesting to note that the short-term models (granted, they're still just coming into their respective time domains) do not have the system as far west as the ECMWF, GFS, ICON models. Just a slight nudge east. Will be interesting to see if that trend continues as the system gets into better focus for the high-res models. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoMo Posted December 30, 2020 Author Share Posted December 30, 2020 Just a few flurries here now. Well I get to cross off snow before Christmas, snow during daytime, and big huge flakes from my seasonal wishlist. Just need a storm over 6" and one over 9-12" and I'm good for the season. Accumulation here was about 1/2" or so this morning, now starting to melt now that it isn't snowing. Sun angle is low though so it was able to accumulate when it was coming down pretty hard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weatherdemon Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 URGENT - WINTER WEATHER MESSAGE National Weather Service Tulsa OK 1019 AM CST Wed Dec 30 2020 OKZ057-058-060>067-310000- /O.NEW.KTSA.WW.Y.0010.201230T1619Z-201231T0000Z/ Craig-Ottawa-Tulsa-Rogers-Mayes-Delaware-Creek-Okfuskee-Okmulgee- Wagoner- Including the cities of Vinita, Miami, Tulsa, Claremore, Pryor, Grove, Jay, Sapulpa, Okemah, Okmulgee, and Wagoner 1019 AM CST Wed Dec 30 2020 ...WINTER WEATHER ADVISORY IN EFFECT UNTIL 6 PM CST THIS EVENING... * WHAT...Snow. Additional snow accumulations of up to one inch. * WHERE...Portions of east central and northeast Oklahoma. * WHEN...Until 6 PM CST this evening. * IMPACTS...Plan on slippery road conditions in heavier snow bands. PRECAUTIONARY/PREPAREDNESS ACTIONS... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoMo Posted December 30, 2020 Author Share Posted December 30, 2020 The wavelengths are super short this year. Even on this next prospect, you can see how short it is from one storm to another. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StormChazer Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 Just now, JoMo said: The wavelengths are super short this year. Even on this next prospect, you can see how short it is from one storm to another. Love it when there's traffic on the highway of storms this time of year! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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