Occasional Thoughts on Climate Change

[LibertyBell]

On 7/13/2025 at 1:58 PM, TheClimateChanger said:

One note on the IEM estimates, they tend to be off from the actual NCEI values. Comparing 1936 summer as a whole, they have it warmer than NCEI in many places (except the southwest, which they show as decidedly colder). I think the estimates for recent years are generally the opposite bias (i.e., a bit cooler). Either way, should come in as a very warm summer for the CONUS. Not sure we poach 2021 or 1936 though.

2010 had our hottest summer here

[LibertyBell]

On 7/3/2025 at 2:46 PM, donsutherland1 said:

At best, there is a hint of an uncertain weak cyclical effect. However, changes in aerosols may well have driven most of the cooling seen in the 1960s. In any case, strong and persistent warming from UHI + anthropogenic climate change have overwhelmed any periodicity that might exist in Phoenix. The warmest summer during the 1930s was 1933 with a mean of 91.7° and the warmest year during the 1930s was 1934 with a mean of 74.2°. Every summer and every year since 2000 has exceeded those figures. The last cooler summer was 1999 and the last cooler year was 1998.

For the nation as a whole there seems to be an 11 year cycle-- 1933, 1944, 1955, 1966, 1977, 1988, 1999, 2010, 2010, 2021, the next one would be 2032.

 

Other years around those years are very hot too, it's just that the above are the hottest of their era.

[donsutherland1]

11 hours ago, LibertyBell said:

Two of our hotter summers were 1933 and 1936, so I find that really interesting

Was 1944 very hot in Phoenix too Don?

Not very warm. Up to 1944, it was the 33rd warmest or 17th coolest summer. Through 2024, it is the 108th warmest or 22nd coolest summer.

[TheClimateChanger]

Current forecasts suggest the possibility of at least 5 consecutive days of 100F readings at Charlotte, which would match the longest streak there on record. Certainly, looks like a hot stretch coming up for the southeastern United States. Yes, it's hot there in the summertime, but this looks pretty impressive even for those areas.

 

[ChescoWx]

Will be fun to see another climate doomer forecast fall by the boards.....

[ChescoWx]

Great quote from Professional MET Chris Martz

"To think that we actually have the ability to significantly control the weather is an exercise for superstitious people. We are a fart in the wind in the grand scheme of things, and to spend all your life worried over things you have no control over is a waste of time."

Is human induced climate change our biggest conspiracy theory out there??

[bdgwx]

7 hours ago, ChescoWx said:

Will be fun to see another climate doomer forecast fall by the boards.....

 

Here is what the "doomers" actually say.

Of the 366 simulations only 9 (or 2%) showed an ice-free state before 2030.

Of the 366 simulations only 34 (or 10%) showed an ice-free state within 10 years.

The median/median timing of the first ice-free state is 24/29 years.

This puts the 2σ right tail at about 61 years or the year 2084.

We have a LONG way to go (61 years) before we can declare this "doomer" prediction to "fall by the board" at the standard 2σ confidence interval.

[Heuze & Jahn 2024]

[Typhoon Tip]

3 minutes ago, bdgwx said:

 

Here is what the "doomers" actually say.

Of the 366 simulations only 9 (or 2%) showed an ice-free state before 2030.

Of the 366 simulations only 34 (or 10%) showed an ice-free state within 10 years.

The median/median timing of the first ice-free state is 24/29 years.

This puts the 2σ right tail at about 61 years or the year 2084.

We have a LONG way to go (61 years) before we can declare this "doomer" prediction to "fall by the board" at the standard 2σ confidence interval.

[Heuze & Jahn 2024]

You can’t penetrate that individuals mind with logic. 

Them is impervious to objective reality 

[chubbs]

Abstract

Changes in terrestrial water storage (TWS) are a critical indicator of freshwater availability. We use NASA GRACE/GRACE-FO data to show that the continents have undergone unprecedented TWS loss since 2002. Areas experiencing drying increased by twice the size of California annually, creating “mega-drying” regions across the Northern Hemisphere. While most of the world’s dry/wet areas continue to get drier/wetter, dry areas are now drying faster than wet areas are wetting. Changes in TWS are driven by high-latitude water losses, intense Central American/European droughts, and groundwater depletion, which accounts for 68% of TWS loss over non-glaciated continental regions.

 

https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/sciadv.adx0298

[ChescoWx]

14 hours ago, Typhoon Tip said:

You can’t penetrate that individuals mind with logic. 

Them is impervious to objective reality 

LOL!! Actually impervious to conspiracy climate theorist who support doom and gloom and for some reason try to convince folks there is actually something we can do to impact our climate. A great example of one of these conspiracy theorist is our old buddy Al Gore - he is my favorite prophet of climate doom and gloom! Here is Gore speaking at the WEF: "[Greenhouse gases are] now trapping as much extra heat as would be released by 600,000 Hiroshima-class atomic bombs exploding every single day." "That's what's boiling the oceans... and creating the droughts, and melting the ice, and raising the sea level, and causing these waves of climate refugees, predicted to reach one billion in this century."    

That is just pure loony tunes stuff!!! I wonder how many folks on this forum actually believe any of the above from our pal Al??

 

 

[rcostell]

9 hours ago, ChescoWx said:

LOL!! Actually impervious to conspiracy climate theorist who support doom and gloom and for some reason try to convince folks there is actually something we can do to impact our climate. A great example of one of these conspiracy theorist is our old buddy Al Gore - he is my favorite prophet of climate doom and gloom! Here is Gore speaking at the WEF: "[Greenhouse gases are] now trapping as much extra heat as would be released by 600,000 Hiroshima-class atomic bombs exploding every single day." "That's what's boiling the oceans... and creating the droughts, and melting the ice, and raising the sea level, and causing these waves of climate refugees, predicted to reach one billion in this century."    

That is just pure loony tunes stuff!!! I wonder how many folks on this forum actually believe any of the above from our pal Al??

 

 

I do, sir.  This is because I've travelled extensively around the globe and seen widepread physical objective evidence of a rapidly warming climate.  You can choose to believe that or not- but my eyes and ears and logic all agree that our climate is beginning to become dangerous for us and other species.  You don't have to leave Chester county to know the world is not flat... 

[GaWx]

10 hours ago, ChescoWx said:

LOL!! Actually impervious to conspiracy climate theorist who support doom and gloom and for some reason try to convince folks there is actually something we can do to impact our climate. A great example of one of these conspiracy theorist is our old buddy Al Gore - he is my favorite prophet of climate doom and gloom! Here is Gore speaking at the WEF: "[Greenhouse gases are] now trapping as much extra heat as would be released by 600,000 Hiroshima-class atomic bombs exploding every single day." "That's what's boiling the oceans... and creating the droughts, and melting the ice, and raising the sea level, and causing these waves of climate refugees, predicted to reach one billion in this century."    

That is just pure loony tunes stuff!!! I wonder how many folks on this forum actually believe any of the above from our pal Al??

 

 

 The global avg air and sea surface temps, dew points, and sea level are all at or near record highs. OTOH, I don’t know about “the droughts” being the worst. Actually, widespread droughts in the Midwest have notably lessened in frequency and severity over the last 30 years due to increased crop sizes likely thanks at least partially due to climate change. Avg dewpoints there in summer have increased significantly.

[LakePaste25]

12 minutes ago, GaWx said:

 The global avg air and sea surface temps, dew points, and sea level are all at or near record highs. OTOH, I don’t know about “the droughts” being the worst. Actually, widespread droughts in the Midwest have notably lessened in frequency and severity over the last 30 years due to increased crop sizes thanks to climate change. Avg dewpoints there in summer have increased significantly.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/38348610/

 

I’d look into Vapor Pressure Deficit (VPD). Warming temperatures and the atmosphere’s ability to hold more water isn’t a linear relationship, it’s exponential. Think of it as a bigger sponge. The sponge can hold more water, so when it does get “wrung out,” it means more extreme flooding rains. On the other hand, as it can hold more water, it can also mean that it’s easier to form drought. The Midwest has been lucky in this regard due to favorable long wave patterns. 

[GaWx]

 “These oceanic heatwaves are not caused by man’s input into the atmosphere as Mr. Gore would like you to believe.”

-Joe Bastardi in 7/26/25 Weather Bell free to everyone “Saturday Summary” video

 I just heard it. He still insists it’s due to undersea volcanic activity.

Edit: Later in the same video he showed numbers indicating the planet is 1/4 of a degree C cooler this July vs last July.

 Is this true?

[LakePaste25]

14 minutes ago, GaWx said:

 “These oceanic heatwaves are not caused by man’s input into the atmosphere as Mr. Gore would like you to believe.”

-Joe Bastardi in 7/26/25 Weather Bell free to everyone “Saturday Summary” video

 I just heard it. He still insists it’s due to undersea volcanic activity.

Edit: Later in the same video he showed numbers indicating the planet is 1/4 of a degree C cooler thus July vs last July.

 Is this true?

I’m not sure about July, but June 2025 came in cooler than the last 2 Junes. Not really surprising because as shown on the graph, warming occurs under a “staircase” model. There will always be random variability. 

[chubbs]

8 hours ago, LakePaste25 said:

I’m not sure about July, but June 2025 came in cooler than the last 2 Junes. Not really surprising because as shown on the graph, warming occurs under a “staircase” model. There will always be random variability. 

JB is right, July is tracking 0.23C cooler than last year on ERA re-analysis, a decline very similar to June. For the year-to-date, 2025 is running 0.11C cooler than last years record. A fairly typical enso-related decrease.  Below is satellite SST including July. Showing how this nino compares to others. The biggest difference is the rapid spike upwards.

[LibertyBell]

10 hours ago, GaWx said:

 The global avg air and sea surface temps, dew points, and sea level are all at or near record highs. OTOH, I don’t know about “the droughts” being the worst. Actually, widespread droughts in the Midwest have notably lessened in frequency and severity over the last 30 years due to increased crop sizes likely thanks at least partially due to climate change. Avg dewpoints there in summer have increased significantly.

whats going on in the Midwest isn't a good thing, thats why I'm completely against the corn and soy cartels

[LibertyBell]

1 hour ago, chubbs said:

JB is right, July is tracking 0.23C cooler than last year on ERA re-analysis, a decline very similar to June. For the year-to-date, 2025 is running 0.11C cooler than last years record. A fairly typical enso-related decrease.  Below is satellite SST including July. Showing how this nino compares to others. The biggest difference is the rapid spike upwards.

we have had a near record hot June/July here, the only one that was hotter was 2010.

[LibertyBell]

10 hours ago, LakePaste25 said:

I’m not sure about July, but June 2025 came in cooler than the last 2 Junes. Not really surprising because as shown on the graph, warming occurs under a “staircase” model. There will always be random variability. 

It must have happened in the first half of the month, because especially after June 20th, we saw extreme heat the likes of which this area has rarely ever seen.

[LibertyBell]

10 hours ago, LakePaste25 said:

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/38348610/

 

I’d look into Vapor Pressure Deficit (VPD). Warming temperatures and the atmosphere’s ability to hold more water isn’t a linear relationship, it’s exponential. Think of it as a bigger sponge. The sponge can hold more water, so when it does get “wrung out,” it means more extreme flooding rains. On the other hand, as it can hold more water, it can also mean that it’s easier to form drought. The Midwest has been lucky in this regard due to favorable long wave patterns. 

Yes, which is why it's important to remove both H20 and CO2 from the atmosphere before that happens.  There are devices that can now convert water vapor directly into precious drinking water.

 

[GaWx]

4 minutes ago, LibertyBell said:

whats going on in the Midwest isn't a good thing, thats why I'm completely against the corn and soy cartels

Hey Liberty,

 Why are larger crops in the Midwest a bad thing? I’ve never heard anyone say that before. Larger crops means more food for the world and also lower high temperatures there and probably somewhat downwind in summer.

[GaWx]

6 minutes ago, LibertyBell said:

It must have happened in the first half of the month, because especially after June 20th, we saw extreme heat the likes of which this area has rarely ever seen.

Hey Liberty,

 Don’t forget that Lakepaste is talking about global cooling since a year ago rather than for your area or even the US overall.

[LibertyBell]

1 minute ago, GaWx said:

Hey Liberty,

 Why are larger crops in the Midwest a bad thing? I’ve never heard anyone say that before. Larger crops means more food for the world and also lower high temperatures there and probably somewhat downwind in summer.

It's not natural to have these large fields of corn and soy and the evapotranspiration caused by these out of place fields causes something that is far deadlier than higher temperature-- much higher dew points.  The much higher dew points have been directly linked to hundreds of people dying, like in the lethal 1995 heatwave that killed nearly 600 people in the Chicago area.

 

[LibertyBell]

3 minutes ago, GaWx said:

Hey Liberty,

 Why are larger crops in the Midwest a bad thing? I’ve never heard anyone say that before. Larger crops means more food for the world and also lower high temperatures there and probably somewhat downwind in summer.

there are some health problems linked with higher corn and soy consumption too, I think it has to do with monotype agriculture. High consumption of corn oil and soybean oil also isn't good, olive oil is FAR better (especially for your heart.)

 

[GaWx]

11 minutes ago, LibertyBell said:

It's not natural to have these large fields of corn and soy and the evapotranspiration caused by these out of place fields causes something that is far deadlier than higher temperature-- much higher dew points.  The much higher dew points have been directly linked to hundreds of people dying, like in the lethal 1995 heatwave that killed nearly 600 people in the Chicago area.

 

 It’s not natural for farmers to try to grow crops as large as possible wherever they live? Also, think of all of the lives saved worldwide with a larger supply of food from larger crops worldwide.

 Regarding the higher dewpoints resulting from the larger crops holding in the soil moisture, don’t forget that the higher dewpoints are negated by lower temps during the most dangerous time of the day than would otherwise be the case.

[LibertyBell]

2 minutes ago, GaWx said:

 It’s not natural for farmers to try to grow crops as large as possible wherever they live? Also, think of all of the lives saved worldwide with a larger supply of crops worldwide.

 Regarding the higher dewpoints resulting from the larger crops holding in the soil moisture, don’t forget that the higher dewpoints are negated by lower temps during the most dangerous time of the day than would otherwise be the case.

But what I'm saying is that higher dew points are much more dangerous than higher temperatures are.

I'll use myself as an example, I get extremely dizzy and light headed when the temperature is in the 80s and the dew point is 75+ and cloudy.  I am fine and even go running when the temperature is around 100 and the dew point is in the 50s and 60s.

About the farming, widespread use of corn and soy and their oils really isn't healthy, I switched to olive oil years ago and experienced a drop in my blood pressure.  It's why the Meditterrannean diet is so much better.

[LibertyBell]

Higher dew points also lead to higher asthma rates, as it causes car fuel exhaust particulate matter to be suspended closer to the ground.  Maybe this is why higher dew points cause my light headedness? I don't know but I had a couple of very serious cases when everything went white and I couldn't hear anyone around me and lost all motor function (I felt like I was walking in a swamp).  One time I had to be taken to a hospital because it caused me to black out (or white out), fall off a bus and I injured my tailbone.  I didn't remember anything other than the bus reached the last stop, the terminal, and I got up extremely light headed trying to walk (after trying to lie down in the bus which actually made me feel worse-- like my head was detached from my body) and made it to the steps and then I don't remember anything.  People later told me I fell down and got up several times and kept falling down, until the last time, which I do remember, which felt like a fog clearing.  I had a bruised tail bone and could not sit properly for a month (and it recurred two other times around the holidays).  The three times I had this issue, it was cloudy all three times with temperatures in the 80s and dew points of 75+  It never happens when it's around 100 and sunny and it's a drier heat.

 

[ChescoWx]

12 hours ago, rcostell said:

I do, sir.  This is because I've travelled extensively around the globe and seen widepread physical objective evidence of a rapidly warming climate.  You can choose to believe that or not- but my eyes and ears and logic all agree that our climate is beginning to become dangerous for us and other species.  You don't have to leave Chester county to know the world is not flat... 

Then please show us any weather event that occurred that is unprecedented and has been proven to have occurred as a result of our current warmer cycle of our typical climate change?

[ChescoWx]

43 minutes ago, LibertyBell said:

we have had a near record hot June/July here, the only one that was hotter was 2010.

Going back how many years??

[rcostell]

47 minutes ago, ChescoWx said:

Then please show us any weather event that occurred that is unprecedented and has been proven to have occurred as a result of our current warmer cycle of our typical climate change?

I'm referencing effects of a warming climate- not weather.  I've seen melting permafrost in Northern Norway, rapidly melting (in geologic and real time) icefields in Iceland and Alberta, Canada- rapidly melting glaciers in Switzerland and the American West and unprecedented bleaching of coal reefs in the Carribean. Northward migration of invasive plants and animals intop the interior of the Adirndacks, shortening of "ice season" on our boreal lakes in the North Country of NY and salt water intrusion into coastal cedar swamps in NJ due to sea level rise.  These things and may more are occurring.  They are irrefutable and real and measured and progressing and accelerating= verified first hand. You can choose to believe me or not- but I've answered your inquiry.   In return -  I would simply ask you to acknowledge whats going on around us as real- as that debate can no longer be supported to to the visible objective evidence and effects. The data analysis is simply court reporting on a known verdict.  I've offered a few objective evidence examples, in my own way, on this forum (Switzerland glacier collapse, as example)- whiich you seem to slough off- but you haven't been at site to know better.   Consider that good people with good data and senses (eyes, speech, memory) are seeing what is going on.  No need to push back any longer. We need some solutions.   I'm kind of done in sensibly responding to you- please consider your stance- from an objectiive evidence perspective- not opinion of others.   Thanks.