LibertyBell Posted yesterday at 03:36 PM Share Posted yesterday at 03:36 PM Just now, TheClimateChanger said: I also wouldn't put much stock into the 1986-1995 era, which shows tons of big heat. The HO-83 had a significant warm bias. See: Inside the HO83 Hygrothermometer « Climate Audit Here is comparative data from Lincoln, NE, for 1991 & 1992, comparing readings from the HO-83 versus a newly installed ASOS. There was only 1 day where the HO-83 max was lower than the ASOS. On one date, it was 7 degrees warmer! Do you think the 1993 Newark numbers might be cooked? Take a look at their 90, 95 and 100 degree numbers. On most lists 1993, 2010 and 2022 are the three hottest summers there, I lived through 1993 it was the first time I was forced to use air conditioning, it was unbearably hot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheClimateChanger Posted yesterday at 03:40 PM Share Posted yesterday at 03:40 PM 6 minutes ago, LibertyBell said: Do you think the 1993 Newark numbers might be cooked? Take a look at their 90, 95 and 100 degree numbers. On most lists 1993, 2010 and 2022 are the three hottest summers there, I lived through 1993 it was the first time I was forced to use air conditioning, it was unbearably hot. Here is New Brunswick, NJ versus Newark for July 1993. New Brunswick was 0.6F above the 1991-2020 normal [measured with standard MMTS] versus Newark 4.3F above 1991-2020 normal [with HO-83]. Certainly seems highly suspect to me. One note - there appears to be a 1-day offset for the New Brunswick data, as the observation must have been taken the following morning and ascribed to that day [even though the maximum would have occurred the prior afternoon]. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted yesterday at 04:10 PM Share Posted yesterday at 04:10 PM 29 minutes ago, TheClimateChanger said: Here is New Brunswick, NJ versus Newark for July 1993. New Brunswick was 0.6F above the 1991-2020 normal [measured with standard MMTS] versus Newark 4.3F above 1991-2020 normal [with HO-83]. Certainly seems highly suspect to me. One note - there appears to be a 1-day offset for the New Brunswick data, as the observation must have been taken the following morning and ascribed to that day [even though the maximum would have occurred the prior afternoon]. It was still a very hot summer though as it set the NYC record for 90 degree days and that three day stretch of 100+ was extremely memorable. I lived through that 10 day heatwave in NYC and I haven't felt so much heat before or since then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted yesterday at 05:06 PM Share Posted yesterday at 05:06 PM Maybe we'll do what Dubai has done with installing air conditioning under their streets. https://luxurylaunches.com/travel/dubai-urban-highway.php Dubai is building a 58-mile-long air-conditioned highway for walking and cycling. The humungous structure will be powered by kinetic flooring that will harness energy from the footsteps of runners and walkers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Typhoon Tip Posted yesterday at 08:09 PM Share Posted yesterday at 08:09 PM 3 hours ago, LibertyBell said: Maybe we'll do what Dubai has done with installing air conditioning under their streets. https://luxurylaunches.com/travel/dubai-urban-highway.php Dubai is building a 58-mile-long air-conditioned highway for walking and cycling. The humungous structure will be powered by kinetic flooring that will harness energy from the footsteps of runners and walkers. and if it works...maybe they'll create one for the Mecca/Hajj pilgrimage next ... The last one ended up with 200+ deaths and some thousand(s) of casualties directly related to heat. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chubbs Posted 12 hours ago Share Posted 12 hours ago This chart shows how the recent increase in warming has changed the 30-year warming rate and projected temperatures in 2050 based on the 30-year warming rate. The past decade has sped up our journey to a new climate. A little over a decade ago we were going to hit 1.5C around 2050. Now it will be close to 2C by 2050 if we warm as we have in the past 30 years. Note that if the warming in the past decade is maintained, the 2050 estimate is conservative. Of course this is just a rough projection, a lot can change in 25 years to change our warming rate. Getting off fossil fuels for instance. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluewave Posted 11 hours ago Share Posted 11 hours ago 19 hours ago, LibertyBell said: Do you think the 1993 Newark numbers might be cooked? Take a look at their 90, 95 and 100 degree numbers. On most lists 1993, 2010 and 2022 are the three hottest summers there, I lived through 1993 it was the first time I was forced to use air conditioning, it was unbearably hot. Wayne, NJ to the west of Newark actually had a higher average maximum temperature than Newark did with more 90° days. So the heat wasn’t just localized to Newark. But Newark did lead with the 95° days though a few COOPs nearby were close. A local COOP had a higher max at 106° while Newark only made it to 105° that summer. Data for June 1, 1993 through August 31, 1993Click column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending. WAYNE COOP 90.1 Newark Area ThreadEx 88.9 NEWARK LIBERTY INTL AP WBAN 88.9 MOORESTOWN 4 E COOP 88.1 WOODSTOWN PITTSGROV 4E COOP 88.0 LITTLE FALLS COOP 88.0 INDIAN MILLS 2 W COOP 87.1 LAMBERTVILLE COOP 87.1 PEMBERTON COOP 87.0 BELLEPLAIN STA FOREST COOP 86.9 CRANFORD COOP 86.9 PENNSAUKEN 1N COOP 86.7 LODI COOP 86.7 1993 #90° days in NJ Data for January 1, 1993 through December 31, 1993Click column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending. WAYNE COOP 68 Newark Area ThreadEx 49 NEWARK LIBERTY INTL AP WBAN 49 WOODSTOWN PITTSGROV 4E COOP 45 MOORESTOWN 4 E COOP 44 LAMBERTVILLE COOP 41 TOMS RIVER COOP 40 95° days in NJ Data for January 1, 1993 through December 31, 1993Click column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending. Newark Area ThreadEx 25 NEWARK LIBERTY INTL AP WBAN 25 WAYNE COOP 22 TOMS RIVER COOP 18 WOODSTOWN PITTSGROV 4E COOP 16 Maxumum NJ temoersrure in 1993 Data for January 1, 1993 through December 31, 1993Click column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending. PENNSAUKEN 1N COOP 106 NEWARK LIBERTY INTL AP WBAN 105 Newark Area ThreadEx 105 TUCKERTON 2 NE COOP 104 TOMS RIVER COOP 104 WAYNE COOP 104 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheClimateChanger Posted 9 hours ago Share Posted 9 hours ago 2 hours ago, bluewave said: Wayne, NJ to the west of Newark actually had a higher average maximum temperature than Newark did with more 90° days. So the heat wasn’t just localized to Newark. But Newark did lead with the 95° days though a few COOPs nearby were close. A local COOP had a higher max at 106° while Newark only made it to 105° that summer. Data for June 1, 1993 through August 31, 1993Click column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending. WAYNE COOP 90.1 Newark Area ThreadEx 88.9 NEWARK LIBERTY INTL AP WBAN 88.9 MOORESTOWN 4 E COOP 88.1 WOODSTOWN PITTSGROV 4E COOP 88.0 LITTLE FALLS COOP 88.0 INDIAN MILLS 2 W COOP 87.1 LAMBERTVILLE COOP 87.1 PEMBERTON COOP 87.0 BELLEPLAIN STA FOREST COOP 86.9 CRANFORD COOP 86.9 PENNSAUKEN 1N COOP 86.7 LODI COOP 86.7 1993 #90° days in NJ Data for January 1, 1993 through December 31, 1993Click column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending. WAYNE COOP 68 Newark Area ThreadEx 49 NEWARK LIBERTY INTL AP WBAN 49 WOODSTOWN PITTSGROV 4E COOP 45 MOORESTOWN 4 E COOP 44 LAMBERTVILLE COOP 41 TOMS RIVER COOP 40 95° days in NJ Data for January 1, 1993 through December 31, 1993Click column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending. Newark Area ThreadEx 25 NEWARK LIBERTY INTL AP WBAN 25 WAYNE COOP 22 TOMS RIVER COOP 18 WOODSTOWN PITTSGROV 4E COOP 16 Maxumum NJ temoersrure in 1993 Data for January 1, 1993 through December 31, 1993Click column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending. PENNSAUKEN 1N COOP 106 NEWARK LIBERTY INTL AP WBAN 105 Newark Area ThreadEx 105 TUCKERTON 2 NE COOP 104 TOMS RIVER COOP 104 WAYNE COOP 104 It was the warmest site in NWS Upton's CWA by 1.7F that summer by mean temperature. It still tends to be the warmest site, but not nearly by that much. And the max temperature data from Wayne [second warmest mean] is highly suspect with nearly 20 more 90+ days than even EWR. Next closest was LGA, which was 2.3F cooler. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheClimateChanger Posted 9 hours ago Share Posted 9 hours ago For comparison, here are the two most recent summers where EWR was warmest but only by 0.5F over the second. To be honest, by mean temperature, last summer was very comparable overall to 1993 in NWS Upton's CWA. Some places with overlapping data were even warmer last year... Islip, for instance, was 1.7F warmer in 2024 than 1993. Even in 2023, Islip was 0.1F warmer than 1993. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheClimateChanger Posted 9 hours ago Share Posted 9 hours ago Just now, TheClimateChanger said: For comparison, here are the two most recent summers where EWR was warmest but only by 0.5F over the second. To be honest, by mean temperature, last summer was very comparable overall to 1993 in NWS Upton's CWA. Some places with overlapping data were even warmer last year... Islip, for instance, was 1.7F warmer in 2024 than 1993. Even in 2023, Islip was 0.1F warmer than 1993. Newark is clearly the hot spot, but 1993 was next level. It's like going from Barry Bonds to Barry Bonds on steroids and human growth hormone. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheClimateChanger Posted 9 hours ago Share Posted 9 hours ago NCEI has last summer as the warmest on record for the Northern District of New Jersey, which is well supported by that data. 1993 was very hot, no doubt, but overall mean temperatures were somewhat higher last summer. So, it's funny to argue there's been a lack of recent heat waves when just last summer was one of the hottest on record in that area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted 9 hours ago Share Posted 9 hours ago 2 hours ago, bluewave said: Wayne, NJ to the west of Newark actually had a higher average maximum temperature than Newark did with more 90° days. So the heat wasn’t just localized to Newark. But Newark did lead with the 95° days though a few COOPs nearby were close. A local COOP had a higher max at 106° while Newark only made it to 105° that summer. Data for June 1, 1993 through August 31, 1993Click column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending. WAYNE COOP 90.1 Newark Area ThreadEx 88.9 NEWARK LIBERTY INTL AP WBAN 88.9 MOORESTOWN 4 E COOP 88.1 WOODSTOWN PITTSGROV 4E COOP 88.0 LITTLE FALLS COOP 88.0 INDIAN MILLS 2 W COOP 87.1 LAMBERTVILLE COOP 87.1 PEMBERTON COOP 87.0 BELLEPLAIN STA FOREST COOP 86.9 CRANFORD COOP 86.9 PENNSAUKEN 1N COOP 86.7 LODI COOP 86.7 1993 #90° days in NJ Data for January 1, 1993 through December 31, 1993Click column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending. WAYNE COOP 68 Newark Area ThreadEx 49 NEWARK LIBERTY INTL AP WBAN 49 WOODSTOWN PITTSGROV 4E COOP 45 MOORESTOWN 4 E COOP 44 LAMBERTVILLE COOP 41 TOMS RIVER COOP 40 95° days in NJ Data for January 1, 1993 through December 31, 1993Click column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending. Newark Area ThreadEx 25 NEWARK LIBERTY INTL AP WBAN 25 WAYNE COOP 22 TOMS RIVER COOP 18 WOODSTOWN PITTSGROV 4E COOP 16 Maxumum NJ temoersrure in 1993 Data for January 1, 1993 through December 31, 1993Click column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending. PENNSAUKEN 1N COOP 106 NEWARK LIBERTY INTL AP WBAN 105 Newark Area ThreadEx 105 TUCKERTON 2 NE COOP 104 TOMS RIVER COOP 104 WAYNE COOP 104 I lived through 1993 so I definitely it is on my shortlist for hottest summers I've ever experienced. 1983, 1993, 2002 and 2010 are the summers that make the cut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted 9 hours ago Share Posted 9 hours ago 18 minutes ago, TheClimateChanger said: NCEI has last summer as the warmest on record for the Northern District of New Jersey, which is well supported by that data. 1993 was very hot, no doubt, but overall mean temperatures were somewhat higher last summer. So, it's funny to argue there's been a lack of recent heat waves when just last summer was one of the hottest on record in that area. mean temps probably because we live in a more moist world now, but 1993 had the highest number of hot (90), very hot (95) and extremely hot (100) days I've ever experienced until 2010 came along. In this area, it needs to be very dry and get an offshore flow to get it very hot. We can't get very hot on a southerly or even a southwesterly wind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheClimateChanger Posted 9 hours ago Share Posted 9 hours ago Just now, LibertyBell said: mean temps probably because we live in a more moist world now, but 1993 had the highest number of hot (90), very hot (95) and extremely hot (100) days I've ever experienced until 2010 came along. In this area, it needs to be very dry and get an offshore flow to get it very hot. We can't get very hot on a southerly or even a southwesterly wind. Yeah, but like I said in the other thread, that might actually be a cold summer for a +1.5C world. Imagine when the weather gods bless us with the right pattern to maximize heat. It might blow way by those levels. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted 9 hours ago Share Posted 9 hours ago 20 minutes ago, TheClimateChanger said: NCEI has last summer as the warmest on record for the Northern District of New Jersey, which is well supported by that data. 1993 was very hot, no doubt, but overall mean temperatures were somewhat higher last summer. So, it's funny to argue there's been a lack of recent heat waves when just last summer was one of the hottest on record in that area. ah maybe for NJ, but last summer had very few hot days here, maybe they do better on southerly winds there. Our temps don't rise above the 80s here on such winds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted 9 hours ago Share Posted 9 hours ago Just now, TheClimateChanger said: Yeah, but like I said in the other thread, that might actually be a cold summer for a +1.5C world. Imagine when the weather gods bless us with the right pattern to maximize heat. It might blow way by those levels. Yeah I was thinking like 1966 but higher if we can get it dry again Look at the 1966 stats for NYC we had a heatwave in June that reached 100+ and another one in July that reached 100+ On one particular day, LGA hit 107, EWR hit 105, JFK hit 104 and NYC hit 103. It was also our driest year of all time, with around 26 inches of annual rainfall. Imagine if that happens in the current era what the temperatures would be like? 2011 was wetter and even with that the temperatures were the same or higher than they were in 1966 On one particular day EWR hit 108, NYC hit 104, LGA hit 104 and JFK hit 103 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted 8 hours ago Share Posted 8 hours ago 33 minutes ago, TheClimateChanger said: For comparison, here are the two most recent summers where EWR was warmest but only by 0.5F over the second. To be honest, by mean temperature, last summer was very comparable overall to 1993 in NWS Upton's CWA. Some places with overlapping data were even warmer last year... Islip, for instance, was 1.7F warmer in 2024 than 1993. Even in 2023, Islip was 0.1F warmer than 1993. do you have a comparison of 1993 vs 2010 vs 2022? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted 8 hours ago Share Posted 8 hours ago 39 minutes ago, TheClimateChanger said: It was the warmest site in NWS Upton's CWA by 1.7F that summer by mean temperature. It still tends to be the warmest site, but not nearly by that much. And the max temperature data from Wayne [second warmest mean] is highly suspect with nearly 20 more 90+ days than even EWR. Next closest was LGA, which was 2.3F cooler. JFK was definitely hotter in 2010 than it was in 1993 but that one big heatwave in July was something special. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluewave Posted 8 hours ago Share Posted 8 hours ago 1 hour ago, TheClimateChanger said: Newark is clearly the hot spot, but 1993 was next level. It's like going from Barry Bonds to Barry Bonds on steroids and human growth hormone. Newark isn’t the warmest location in NJ since the ASOS is right on the bay and is subject to cooling sea breezes. Several other locations in NJ have had more 90° days since the flow turned more onshore in recent years. There are 4 stations in NJ with more 90° days than Newark over the last 10 years. These sea breezes are why the areas east of the Hudson River in New York don’t have as many 90° days as NJ does. Data for January 1, 2015 through December 31, 2024Click column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending. HIGHTSTOWN 2 W COOP 383 HARRISON COOP 376 FREEHOLD-MARLBORO COOP 351 CANOE BROOK COOP 348 NEWARK LIBERTY INTL AP WBAN 343 Newark Area ThreadEx 343 TETERBORO AIRPORT WBAN 310 ESTELL MANOR COOP 307 New Brunswick Area ThreadEx 304 NEW BRUNSWICK 3 SE COOP 304 Several other stations in NJ had an average high within a degree of Newark during the summer of 1993. Data for June 1, 1993 through August 31, 1993Click column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending. WAYNE COOP 90.1 NEWARK LIBERTY INTL AP WBAN 88.9 Newark Area ThreadEx 88.9 MOORESTOWN 4 E COOP 88.1 LITTLE FALLS COOP 88.0 WOODSTOWN PITTSGROV 4E COOP 88.0 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheClimateChanger Posted 8 hours ago Share Posted 8 hours ago 2 minutes ago, bluewave said: Newark isn’t the warmest location in NJ since the ASOS is right on the bay and is subject to cooling sea breezes. Several other locations in NJ have had more 90° days since the flow turned more onshore in recent years. There are 4 stations in NJ with more 90° days than Newark over the last 10 years. These sea breezes are why the areas east of the Hudson River in New York don’t have as many 90° days as NJ does. Data for January 1, 2015 through December 31, 2024Click column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending. HIGHTSTOWN 2 W COOP 383 HARRISON COOP 376 FREEHOLD-MARLBORO COOP 351 CANOE BROOK COOP 348 NEWARK LIBERTY INTL AP WBAN 343 Newark Area ThreadEx 343 TETERBORO AIRPORT WBAN 310 ESTELL MANOR COOP 307 New Brunswick Area ThreadEx 304 NEW BRUNSWICK 3 SE COOP 304 By mean temperature, it is typically the hottest in the CWA. Maybe other portions of New Jersey outside of the Upton CWA are warmer. The siting near the Bay probably elevates overnight lows enough to offset the slight cooling effect on daytime maxima. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheClimateChanger Posted 7 hours ago Share Posted 7 hours ago On 5/15/2025 at 10:26 AM, LibertyBell said: The government needs to make air conditioning mandatory in every home and in every apartment. I find it in 2025 it's highly ridiculous that more people have cell phones than air conditioning. Home builders must be forced to include air conditioning in every home or apartment building they build. We just did that here in New York. If you can afford to have a cell phone you can afford to have air conditioning. This might be controversial, but I'm not sure air conditioning has been a net positive. It has resulted in a huge rush of population to the so-called sunbelt. These places used to be backwoods hillbillies. I don't think most people realize this, but just 100 years ago, a sizable number of southern white people were illiterate. Not even talking about freed slaves, but the white population. This caused great harm to the interior northeast and Midwest, with a flight of companies to the south where there are laxer labor laws, low taxes, anti-Unionism, etc. If, after the defeat of the South and the freeing of the slaves, we had let them leave the Union, history would have been significantly different. We would have likely had more pro-Socialist politicians. Perhaps instead of a Georgia peanut farmer, a pro-labor Mafioso from Chicago or Detroit would have become president in 1976. Reagan would have stood no chance. The Southerners had nothing to lose since poor education and poverty was endemic to the region, so they just wrapped themselves in a flag (often, ironically, not even the American flag) and a bible. Can you imagine the megalopolitan paradise that an independent North, Midwest and West would have established without this flight to the bottom of the barrel on taxes and labor protections? It's somewhat problematic when a region responsible for 400k American deaths - that has always been unrepentant - can be allowed to become a region of growth at the expense of places who fought against the Southern War of Aggression. I mean the South's biggest exports in the mid 20th century were what - cotton and the KKK? Kind of like Hank Williams, Jr. "If the South Woulda Won" but instead the North wins and kicks the South out after freeing all of the slaves. In this hypothetical, the Great Depression probably doesn't occur - at least not with the same ferocity - and so Roosevelt is not elected to 4 consecutive terms. With no term limits, Bernie Sanders (or another left-leaning populist) may have become essentially president for life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted 7 hours ago Share Posted 7 hours ago 9 minutes ago, TheClimateChanger said: This might be controversial, but I'm not sure air conditioning has been a net positive. It has resulted in a huge rush of population to the so-called sunbelt. These places used to be backwoods hillbillies. I don't think most people realize this, but just 100 years ago, a sizable number of southern white people were illiterate. Not even talking about freed slaves, but the white population. This caused great harm to the interior northeast and Midwest, with a flight of companies to the south where there are laxer labor laws, low taxes, anti-Unionism, etc. If, after the defeat of the South and the freeing of the slaves, we had let them leave the Union, history would have been significantly different. We would have likely had more pro-Socialist politicians. Perhaps instead of a Georgia peanut farmer, a pro-labor Mafioso from Chicago or Detroit would have become president in 1976. Reagan would have stood no chance. The Southerners had nothing to lose since poor education and poverty was endemic to the region, so they just wrapped themselves in a flag (often, ironically, not even the American flag) and a bible. Can you imagine the megalopolitan paradise that an independent North, Midwest and West would have established without this flight to the bottom of the barrel on taxes and labor protections? It's somewhat problematic when a region responsible for 400k American deaths - that has always been unrepentant - can be allowed to become a region of growth at the expense of places who fought against the Southern War of Aggression. I mean the South's biggest exports in the mid 20th century were what - cotton and the KKK? Kind of like Hank Williams, Jr. "If the South Woulda Won" but instead the North wins and kicks the South out after freeing all of the slaves. In this hypothetical, the Great Depression probably doesn't occur - at least not with the same ferocity - and so Roosevelt is not elected to 4 consecutive terms. With no term limits, Bernie Sanders (or another left-leaning populist) may have become essentially president for life. I mean I'm not a supporter of massive population growth either, I would like the population to stabilize. Also, large cities with high population densities definitely are not healthy. The companies you speak of are corrupt, they want lax environmental regulations, and don't care if the air and water are unhealthy. Remember what DuPont did in West Virginia, dumping millions of gallons of PFOAs in their waterways? And you can't even speak out against fossil fuels down there, they will firebomb your car or your house, university professors get ostracized or even fired for talking about it. Jimmy Carter was a physicist so you know he was really smart, the problem is the voter base is not smart. He installed solar panels on the White House (which Reagan tore down.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheClimateChanger Posted 7 hours ago Share Posted 7 hours ago 13 minutes ago, TheClimateChanger said: This might be controversial, but I'm not sure air conditioning has been a net positive. It has resulted in a huge rush of population to the so-called sunbelt. These places used to be backwoods hillbillies. I don't think most people realize this, but just 100 years ago, a sizable number of southern white people were illiterate. Not even talking about freed slaves, but the white population. This caused great harm to the interior northeast and Midwest, with a flight of companies to the south where there are laxer labor laws, low taxes, anti-Unionism, etc. If, after the defeat of the South and the freeing of the slaves, we had let them leave the Union, history would have been significantly different. We would have likely had more pro-Socialist politicians. Perhaps instead of a Georgia peanut farmer, a pro-labor Mafioso from Chicago or Detroit would have become president in 1976. Reagan would have stood no chance. The Southerners had nothing to lose since poor education and poverty was endemic to the region, so they just wrapped themselves in a flag (often, ironically, not even the American flag) and a bible. Can you imagine the megalopolitan paradise that an independent North, Midwest and West would have established without this flight to the bottom of the barrel on taxes and labor protections? It's somewhat problematic when a region responsible for 400k American deaths - that has always been unrepentant - can be allowed to become a region of growth at the expense of places who fought against the Southern War of Aggression. I mean the South's biggest exports in the mid 20th century were what - cotton and the KKK? Kind of like Hank Williams, Jr. "If the South Woulda Won" but instead the North wins and kicks the South out after freeing all of the slaves. In this hypothetical, the Great Depression probably doesn't occur - at least not with the same ferocity - and so Roosevelt is not elected to 4 consecutive terms. With no term limits, Bernie Sanders (or another left-leaning populist) may have become essentially president for life. Not to mention, with no air conditioning or refrigeration, for that matter, climate change would have been much more devastating. There probably would've been billions of deaths already, so I think it would be viewed with much greater urgency. Of course, climate change wouldn't have progressed as it did without all of these modern amenities of industrial society in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted 7 hours ago Share Posted 7 hours ago 36 minutes ago, TheClimateChanger said: By mean temperature, it is typically the hottest in the CWA. Maybe other portions of New Jersey outside of the Upton CWA are warmer. The siting near the Bay probably elevates overnight lows enough to offset the slight cooling effect on daytime maxima. Yeah in the CWA perhaps but when talking about the state as a whole, places like Milville and Trenton are hotter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted 7 hours ago Share Posted 7 hours ago 39 minutes ago, bluewave said: Newark isn’t the warmest location in NJ since the ASOS is right on the bay and is subject to cooling sea breezes. Several other locations in NJ have had more 90° days since the flow turned more onshore in recent years. There are 4 stations in NJ with more 90° days than Newark over the last 10 years. These sea breezes are why the areas east of the Hudson River in New York don’t have as many 90° days as NJ does. Data for January 1, 2015 through December 31, 2024Click column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending. HIGHTSTOWN 2 W COOP 383 HARRISON COOP 376 FREEHOLD-MARLBORO COOP 351 CANOE BROOK COOP 348 NEWARK LIBERTY INTL AP WBAN 343 Newark Area ThreadEx 343 TETERBORO AIRPORT WBAN 310 ESTELL MANOR COOP 307 New Brunswick Area ThreadEx 304 NEW BRUNSWICK 3 SE COOP 304 Several other stations in NJ had an average high within a degree of Newark during the summer of 1993. Data for June 1, 1993 through August 31, 1993Click column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending. WAYNE COOP 90.1 NEWARK LIBERTY INTL AP WBAN 88.9 Newark Area ThreadEx 88.9 MOORESTOWN 4 E COOP 88.1 LITTLE FALLS COOP 88.0 WOODSTOWN PITTSGROV 4E COOP 88.0 Yeah our summers have become disappointingly cooler and rainier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted 7 hours ago Share Posted 7 hours ago 40 minutes ago, bluewave said: Newark isn’t the warmest location in NJ since the ASOS is right on the bay and is subject to cooling sea breezes. Several other locations in NJ have had more 90° days since the flow turned more onshore in recent years. There are 4 stations in NJ with more 90° days than Newark over the last 10 years. These sea breezes are why the areas east of the Hudson River in New York don’t have as many 90° days as NJ does. Data for January 1, 2015 through December 31, 2024Click column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending. HIGHTSTOWN 2 W COOP 383 HARRISON COOP 376 FREEHOLD-MARLBORO COOP 351 CANOE BROOK COOP 348 NEWARK LIBERTY INTL AP WBAN 343 Newark Area ThreadEx 343 TETERBORO AIRPORT WBAN 310 ESTELL MANOR COOP 307 New Brunswick Area ThreadEx 304 NEW BRUNSWICK 3 SE COOP 304 Several other stations in NJ had an average high within a degree of Newark during the summer of 1993. Data for June 1, 1993 through August 31, 1993Click column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending. WAYNE COOP 90.1 NEWARK LIBERTY INTL AP WBAN 88.9 Newark Area ThreadEx 88.9 MOORESTOWN 4 E COOP 88.1 LITTLE FALLS COOP 88.0 WOODSTOWN PITTSGROV 4E COOP 88.0 thats wild about the average high temperature for the entire summer being 90 degrees omg, what was JFK's highest-- 2010 followed by 1983 and 2002? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheClimateChanger Posted 7 hours ago Share Posted 7 hours ago Anyways, I digress. Look at this carbon capture scam. They couldn't even capture enough carbon to offset their own emissions! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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