TheDreamTraveler Posted December 16, 2018 Share Posted December 16, 2018 It's pretty crazy to get 2 of the wettest years on record in a span of 7 years considering some records go back over 100 years. I was thinking about that since it's raining nonstop yet again and my yard is turning into a mudslide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blizzard of 93 Posted December 16, 2018 Share Posted December 16, 2018 The 6z GFS has a little snow for us on Christmas morning! Only 9 more days to track it ...! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superstorm Posted December 16, 2018 Share Posted December 16, 2018 The 6z GFS has a little snow for us on Christmas morning! Only 9 more days to track it ...! Lol, let’s bring this one home!!. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blizzard of 93 Posted December 16, 2018 Share Posted December 16, 2018 The 12z NAM says that many of us see some snow flakes this afternoon!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blizzard of 93 Posted December 16, 2018 Share Posted December 16, 2018 The Euro & Canadian at 12z today like the idea of a weak wave around Christmas that could produce a little snow for CTP! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blizzard of 93 Posted December 16, 2018 Share Posted December 16, 2018 This pattern is not as bad as everyone thinks. I think this place will be busy by next weekend! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sauss06 Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 18 hours ago, Blizzard of 93 said: This pattern is not as bad as everyone thinks. I think this place will be busy by next weekend! The 23rd-24th ish has been popping up as an interesting time. lets bring this home! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubbler86 Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 On 12/16/2018 at 3:36 PM, Blizzard of 93 said: This pattern is not as bad as everyone thinks. I think this place will be busy by next weekend! It is currently 51 degrees and my neighbor is mowing her lawn. Pretty bad for Mid December. Potential is there for this to go down as one of the worst Decembers in Winter Weather history for this area. Still looking at late January before winter arrives. Edited to add that my statement applies only to December and the phrase Winter Weather is meant to convey precipitation events which would consist of snow, sleet or freezing rain. It has certainly not been a warm December though we are close to average so not a cold one either. I was also mostly thinking about Eastern PA as an area context for my statement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pasnownut Posted December 17, 2018 Author Share Posted December 17, 2018 52 minutes ago, bubbler86 said: It is currently 51 degrees and my neighbor is mowing her lawn. Pretty bad for Mid December. Potential is there for this to go down as one of the worst Decembers in Winter Weather history for this area. Still looking at late January before winter arrives. Wow. Some of us have WAY different ideas of "worse". That is quite a bold statement alright, and one that by December standards, is not true (assuming you like cold/winter type weather). I for one, love winter, and feel this December has been far more tolerable that many. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Itstrainingtime Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 9 minutes ago, pasnownut said: Wow. Some of us have WAY different ideas of "worse". That is quite a bold statement alright, and one that by December standards, is not true (assuming you like cold/winter type weather). I for one, love winter, and feel this December has been far more tolerable that many. Totally agree with you. I believe the calls of a historic winter plus having a significant snowfall so early in the season have raised a lot of unrealistic expectations. Sure...it's a disappointing stretch snow-wise right now but we've been below normal temps for the 1st half of the month. You and I both know it could be WAY worse... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sauss06 Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 31 minutes ago, pasnownut said: Wow. Some of us have WAY different ideas of "worse". That is quite a bold statement alright, and one that by December standards, is not true (assuming you like cold/winter type weather). I for one, love winter, and feel this December has been far more tolerable that many. 15 minutes ago, Itstrainingtime said: Totally agree with you. I believe the calls of a historic winter plus having a significant snowfall so early in the season have raised a lot of unrealistic expectations. Sure...it's a disappointing stretch snow-wise right now but we've been below normal temps for the 1st half of the month. You and I both know it could be WAY worse... we don't have to look so far in to the past either to find worse Decembers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubbler86 Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 27 minutes ago, sauss06 said: we don't have to look so far in to the past either to find worse Decembers. We are almost all here for snow....the total amount of snow so far this December has been a trace and the prospect that it does not budge off that trace is now open for a possibility. Add to that several days in the 50's, at least one 60's and an outside chance for 65 late this week and not sure how it could be much worse considering the want for winter weather. The statement was made in the context of sustained chances for snow of which there have been almost none. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sauss06 Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 1 minute ago, bubbler86 said: We are almost all here for snow....the total amount of snow so far this December has been a trace and the prospect that it does not budge off that trace is now open for a possibility. Add to that several days in the 50's, at least one 60's and an outside chance for 70 late this week and not sure how it could be much worse considering the want for winter weather. a trace? 8.8" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pasnownut Posted December 17, 2018 Author Share Posted December 17, 2018 41 minutes ago, Itstrainingtime said: Totally agree with you. I believe the calls of a historic winter plus having a significant snowfall so early in the season have raised a lot of unrealistic expectations. Sure...it's a disappointing stretch snow-wise right now but we've been below normal temps for the 1st half of the month. You and I both know it could be WAY worse... You said it better than I did. Yeah, the early start probably set false expectations of "wall to wall" and the like. ANY snow, OCT through mid Dec is climatoligical bonus snow, as we only average around 3-4" in my area. While December has by and large been a dud, snow wise, it has been a normalish one and likely will finish close (yes i saw todays maps) to normal or slightly above, but no Blowtorch, and even if a couple days break warm we all know that Jan. is typiccally go time in Nino years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubbler86 Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 Just now, sauss06 said: a trace? 8.8" That was November not December. :-). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pasnownut Posted December 17, 2018 Author Share Posted December 17, 2018 29 minutes ago, sauss06 said: we don't have to look so far in to the past either to find worse Decembers. Exactly. You also nailed it. 2015 should be fresh in the minds of many (head starts to tick as i type). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pasnownut Posted December 17, 2018 Author Share Posted December 17, 2018 1 minute ago, bubbler86 said: That was November not December. :-). Yes it was, but no matter, snow is only 1 facet of what many deem "good" by winter standards. Those of us who sit on the realist side of forecasting/prognostication know better than to ever bet big on Dec. snows....as even with house money you'd look like a fool. Dec snow is not so good around here, but if you look up north/west, theyve had quite a stretch of snow on the ground aready, and it has snowed multiple times W and N of the LSV. Maybe you should restate IMBY winter has sucked, cause that may be the case. Thats all i'm driving at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubbler86 Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 2 minutes ago, pasnownut said: Exactly. You also nailed it. 2015 should be fresh in the minds of many (head starts to tick as i type). It actually snowed on 3 separate days in December 2015. All trace amounts but could end up beating this December. Temps of course were much warmer but I guess it is all context. This forum would not exist if we were tracking days above and below normal temp wise...its all about the snow/extreme weather. I am sure it has happened before but having one day in December with snow, basically losing the first month of meteorological winter, puts it down as a bad month for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superstorm Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 Exactly. You also nailed it. 2015 should be fresh in the minds of many (head starts to tick as i type). Great golfing that December.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubbler86 Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 1 minute ago, pasnownut said: Yes it was, but no matter, snow is only 1 facet of what many deem "good" by winter standards. Those of us who sit on the realist side of forecasting/prognostication know better than to ever bet big on Dec. snows....as even with house money you'd look like a fool. Dec snow is not so good around here, but if you look up north/west, theyve had quite a stretch of snow on the ground aready, and it has snowed multiple times W and N of the LSV. Maybe you should restate IMBY winter has sucked, cause that may be the case. Thats all i'm driving at. Yea, my statement is certainly specific to the LSV but really it applies to most of the populated North East as it pertains to snow. Not really going to consider the lake driven snow belts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sauss06 Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 17 minutes ago, bubbler86 said: That was November not December. :-). yes, i stand corrected. i don't see 65 this week either, but what do i know. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pasnownut Posted December 17, 2018 Author Share Posted December 17, 2018 7 minutes ago, bubbler86 said: Yea, my statement is certainly specific to the LSV but really it applies to most of the populated North East as it pertains to snow. Not really going to consider the lake driven snow belts. Just da facts.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubbler86 Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 2 minutes ago, sauss06 said: yes, i stand corrected. i don't see 65 this week either, but what do i know. Yea, 65 was an outside chance but appears to be a decent chance at 60 on Friday. Popped to 52 here today. My grass started growing again which is what brought on my comment when someone else said something along the lines of "This pattern is not too bad". It has been terrible for snow. Just scanned back 10 Decembers and not one had a whole Dec with no snow. We have 13 days to go which as why I said potential as anything could happen but we are setup right now for one of, if not the, least snowiest Decembers ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubbler86 Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 14 minutes ago, pasnownut said: Just da facts.... Again, not sure why this is being missed, I said December...not November. That map is October to Dec and is almost wholly made up of the one November storm as it pertains to areas of PA east of the mountains. The Northern Southeast has had a positive December for snow and NY appears to be doing fairly well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pasnownut Posted December 17, 2018 Author Share Posted December 17, 2018 24 minutes ago, Superstorm said: Great golfing that December. . the words great and golfing do not cooexist for me. I can find my way around, but i can muck it up just as easily. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pasnownut Posted December 17, 2018 Author Share Posted December 17, 2018 18 minutes ago, bubbler86 said: Again, not sure why this is being missed, I said December...not November. That map is October to Dec and is almost wholly made up of the one November storm though the Northern Southeast has had a positive December for snow. I get that, but that map represents the northeast....to which you lumped into your bag of coal....."my statement is certainly specific to the LSV but really it applies to most of the populated North East as it pertains to snow" That map is also representative of frequent snows outside of your location to the North and west and NE of you as well as the entire Northeast. Carry on...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubbler86 Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 Just now, pasnownut said: I get that, but that map represents the northeast....to which you lumped into your bag of coal..... That map is also representative of frequent snows outside of your location to the North and west and NE of you as well as the entire Northeast. Carry on...... Well I said the populated Northeast which is ambiguous but to me means "the big cities." I obviously hit a nerve here and I apologize for that. I edited my original post and will be more concise here in stating that many of the reporting stations in Eastern PA have had only trace or no snow reports for the month of December and the POTENTIAL exists for that to still be the fact when the month has ended which would make this December one of the least snowiest Decembers, for those stations, in the history of weather reporting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pasnownut Posted December 17, 2018 Author Share Posted December 17, 2018 18 minutes ago, bubbler86 said: Well I said the populated Northeast which is ambiguous but to me means "the big cities." I obviously hit a nerve here and I apologize for that. I edited my original post and will be more concise here in stating that many of the reporting stations in Eastern PA have had only trace or no snow reports for the month of December and the POTENTIAL exists for that to still be the fact when the month has ended which would make this December one of the least snowiest Decembers, for those stations, in the history of weather reporting. No nerve and it’s all good. It’s also about perception and to that we can disagree. No problem. Just find blanket statements can be misleading when talking bout “our” precious snow. That’s all. NE forum has been enjoying a great start so you caught me off guard a bit. To your point yeah I guess coastal locals have been less rewarded. If you show that map I posted any year ever regarding % vs climo...any snowbound would take no questions asked. That’s part of the perception I was referring to. To me 1 snow event with it lasting for days or weeks as this last event did Is still a great start to winter. I got half as much as you in the first event and it was all pure bonus to me. Just don’t expect much here. Im sure you get that. Looking forward to Jan and a hopefully snowier look. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubbler86 Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 7 minutes ago, pasnownut said: No nerve and it’s all good. It’s also about perception and to that we can disagree. No problem. Just find blanket statements can be misleading when talking bout “our” precious snow. That’s all. NE forum has been enjoying a great start so you caught me off guard a bit. To your point yeah I guess coastal locals have been less rewarded. If you show that map I posted any year ever regarding % vs climo...any snowbound would take no questions asked. That’s part of the perception I was referring to. To me 1 snow event with it lasting for days or weeks as this last event did Is still a great start to winter. I got half as much as you in the first event and it was all pure bonus to me. Just don’t expect much here. Im sure you get that. Looking forward to Jan and a hopefully snowier look. ...and I think some issue is picking which forum to post in. My back yard is just west of the LSV but I would still call myself South Central PA which is actually listed as an area for the Philly forum but in the past I have always posted and read here and I know many people here are actually much closer to Philly but pick this forum. So if someone in Central NY read my post they would call balderdash like you are suggesting. When I said "this area" in the original post I meant the area I was typing from but it could have been construed as the area the forum covers, my bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canderson Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 Getting shut out of snow in December does sting (and it's looking somewhat likely - Christmas Eve has a potential storm but I don't see cold air enough to bring snow). But our snow months seem to be late, late January, mid February and March these days and December seems to always be a weird month. It's been chilly at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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