Jump to content
  • Member Statistics

    19,038
    Total Members
    49,013
    Most Online
    loganboehmewx
    Newest Member
    loganboehmewx
    Joined

WPAC, Indian Ocean, and Southern Hemisphere Tropical Cyclones


1900hurricane
 Share

Recommended Posts

On 10/18/2026 at 1:40 AM, WxWatcher007 said:

Narrowly escaped a big time hit.

Sometimes the tightness/RI *saves* and area from a bigger hit.  Melissa over Jamaica was similar.  If Melissa had been a long-tracked Cabo Verde, it would have been much larger when striking Jamaica.  Sure, it may not have been as intense since multiple ERCs would preclude its sub-900 mb intensity, but a large Cat 4 impacting the entire island vs. only 1/3 of the islands getting Cat 3+ winds is not the same.  Also, the wrn 1/3 of Jamaica is significantly less populated, and one of its main airports went largely unscathed, and the other being on the N coast on the wrn side of the island had sig less impact than if it were on the S side.

Compare to Gilbert at Cat 4 in Sep 1988 that cut down the full length of the Jamaica E-W w/ the entire land devastated.  80% of home lost their roofs.

At least w/ Melissa on about 1/2 of the island, one could find relief, relatively speaking, short-term before full aid arrived and was distributed.

  • Like 2
  • Thanks 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Incredible model battle here. I have a feeling I know which one is going to win 
Screenshot_20261019-121922_Chrome.thumb.png.1e377b8bed3c6a96b3fc43a3a03718c7.png

I am assuming that the AI models use historical tracks and climatology more so then the physics models. From my understanding of AI. Not your typical analogs but everything that’s possible. If anyone has more information on the subject I would love to hear it.


.
Link to comment
Share on other sites

27 minutes ago, LongBeachSurfFreak said:


I am assuming that the AI models use historical tracks and climatology more so then the physics models. From my understanding of AI. Not your typical analogs but everything that’s possible. If anyone has more information on the subject I would love to hear it.


.

Yeah it's mostly machine learning data correlations and such as far as I've heard, but I'm not sure that the specifics are really well understood by the weather community anyway. Actually there was a little segment about the deep mind and Isiais on NPR this morning and they were saying how mostly the project is worked on by non-meteorologist, not even programers with meteorology experience,  mostly neural network engineers

  • Like 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites

2 hours ago, olafminesaw said:

Yeah it's mostly machine learning data correlations and such as far as I've heard, but I'm not sure that the specifics are really well understood by the weather community anyway. Actually there was a little segment about the deep mind and Isiais on NPR this morning and they were saying how mostly the project is worked on by non-meteorologist, not even programers with meteorology experience,  mostly neural network engineers

People are now talking about how Google Deep-mind ensembles beat the other ones on Hurricane Isaias.

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

On 10/19/2026 at 2:20 PM, LongBeachSurfFreak said:


I am assuming that the AI models use historical tracks and climatology more so then the physics models. From my understanding of AI. Not your typical analogs but everything that’s possible. If anyone has more information on the subject I would love to hear it.


.

Huge fail for AI models. Champi just made landfall on Taiwan 

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

On 10/23/2026 at 1:32 PM, NorthHillsWx said:

Huge fail for AI models. Champi just made landfall on Taiwan 

Yes, so this is a lesson about AI models.  They are not infallible and can be off quite a bit.  Just I see some putting them up on pedestal and worshiping as to having the final say.

And look at what a physics-bases model (ECMWF ENS) did.  It even caught the odd motion from terrain influences so common for when a TY approaches Tawain!
 

ecmens.png

Champi_2026_path.png

Screenshot_20261019-121922_Chrome.png.81f4a1b2e2836f2e80950d61676a7ba6.png

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

On 10/20/2026 at 3:40 PM, LongBeachSurfFreak said:

Based on old recon finding lots of sub 900 storms in that basin and this having that very high end look it likely was below 890.


.

Odds are high that there have been at least 6 other STYs stronger than Tip.  This short paper from 2004 notes 2, and there have been several since (Haiyan comes to mind).

 

stronger.pdf

Link to comment
Share on other sites

On 10/20/2026 at 1:24 PM, WxWatcher007 said:

 

That structure is likely an artifact from precip in this case.  Other analyses showed Champi had completed an ERC earlier and there was no concentric eyewalls or more than one wind max.

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

On 10/19/2026 at 5:50 PM, Chinook said:

People are now talking about how Google Deep-mind ensembles beat the other ones on Hurricane Isaias.

I find this a bit misleading in the larger pix.  Of course a newer model is going to be pushed and pointed out more often -- b/c it is new!  Makes for better news stories.  Also, beware of cherry-picking.  For any given fcst, you often can find a model (AI or otherwise) that did much better than the others.  Par for the course. Just is it pointed out a lot in the MSM or not? 

It's like the ECMWF praise that was big after Sandy.  Sure, it nailed far out a mega event, but the ECMWF overall skill perception was somewhat tainted by this very fact.  It did not mean that the ECMWF was the GOAT and panacea for all out fcst woes going forward!  I recall ppl using the ECMWF blindly for fcst solutions b/c it was the ECMWF!  That's not good fcst science.

One needs to see stats for all fcsts for the model, not just one that happens to get a lot of attention and had high sensible wx impact! 

That does not mean GDMI is useless or should not be praised, but let's not get carried away.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now
 Share

  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    • No registered users viewing this page.
×
×
  • Create New...