blackjack123 Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 It might also just be the larger workload to get the PNS written up. Could be a couple reasons for it, but I think an increase in wind speed is definitely on the table. I dont necessarily think it was an EF5 but it was way up there on the scale. That wording used by NWS in Louisville to describe the EF4 damage is very impressive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago Storm Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 Not sure if you counted them but it looks like LMK just added more from Trimble county.Yea, I added them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OceanStWx Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 True, it seems like it went through some more populated areas in Clark county. I just know that it is pretty common to not release any information until there is an accompanying PNS with more detailed information to explain the rating. Especially when they know that the final rating will garner a lot of media attention regardless of which side of 200 mph it falls. I dont necessarily think it was an EF5 but it was way up there on the scale. That wording used by NWS in Louisville to describe the EF4 damage is very impressive. From the damage I've seen, I think somewhere between 180 and 190 mph looks right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tornadotony Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 Piecing together statements from JKL and RLX, it sounds like the West Liberty tornado was on the ground for 96mi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackjack123 Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 I just know that it is pretty common to not release any information until there is an accompanying PNS with more detailed information to explain the rating. Especially when they know that the final rating will garner a lot of media attention regardless of which side of 200 mph it falls. From the damage I've seen, I think somewhere between 180 and 190 mph looks right. I agree with you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 Did not see this posted from Henryville, before and after Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
on_wx Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 Did not see this posted from Marysville, before and after Is this for real? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 Is this for real? Jim Cantore tweet, I assume so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewxmann Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 Piecing together statements from JKL and RLX, it sounds like the West Liberty tornado was on the ground for 96mi. Here is the PNS for that PUBLIC INFORMATION STATEMENT NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE CHARLESTON WV 424 PM EST MON MAR 5 2012 ...TORNADO CONFIRMED NEAR ALKOL IN LINCOLN COUNTY WEST VIRGINIA... LOCATION...ALKOL IN EASTERN LINCOLN COUNTY WEST VIRGINIA DATE...MARCH 2 2012 ESTIMATED TIME...715 PM EST MAXIMUM EF-SCALE RATING...EF0 ESTIMATED MAXIMUM WIND SPEED...75 MPH MAXIMUM PATH WIDTH...70 YARDS PATH LENGTH...35 MILES FROM WEST VIRGINIA BORDER TO ALKOL 62 MILES FROM WESTERN LAWRENCE COUNTY KY TO ALKOL BEGINNING LAT/LON... ENDING LAT/LON... * FATALITIES...0 * INJURIES...0 * THE INFORMATION IN THIS STATEMENT IS PRELIMINARY AND SUBJECT TO CHANGE PENDING FINAL REVIEW OF THE EVENT(S) AND PUBLICATION IN NWS STORM DATA. ...SUMMARY... THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE IN CHARLESTON WV HAS CONFIRMED A TORNADO NEAR ALKOL IN EASTERN LINCOLN COUNTY WEST VIRGINIA ON MARCH 2 2012. THIS LOCATION WAS THE END OF A DAMAGE PATH OF THE TORNADO WHICH STARTED NEAR WEST LIBERTY KENTUCKY. THIS WAS NOT A THIRD TORNADO IN WEST VIRGINIA. NUMEROUS TREES WERE BLOWN DOWN AND A FEW WERE ALSO BROKEN OFF ABOVE THE GROUND. IN ADDITION...A MANUFACTURED HOME LOST PART OF ITS ROOF AS WELL AS SUSTAINING OTHER DAMAGE. THIS INFORMATION CAN ALSO BE FOUND ON OUR WEBSITE AT WEATHER.GOV/RLX. FOR REFERENCE...THE ENHANCED FUJITA SCALE CLASSIFIES TORNADOES INTO THE FOLLOWING CATEGORIES: EF0...WIND SPEEDS 65 TO 85 MPH. EF1...WIND SPEEDS 86 TO 110 MPH. EF2...WIND SPEEDS 111 TO 135 MPH. EF3...WIND SPEEDS 136 TO 165 MPH. EF4...WIND SPEEDS 166 TO 200 MPH. EF5...WIND SPEEDS GREATER THAN 200 MPH. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canderson Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 n/m I got trolled Apologies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier Posted March 5, 2012 Author Share Posted March 5, 2012 Is this for real? Seems like the same location. Pics just from a different angle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewxmann Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 Not sure if this has been posted yet, but it was FB tagged by a friend of mine that lives next door to West Liberty. Supposedly caught on security camera. This picture has been circulating around for years. I think it's from 2008, somewhere in the Plains. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
on_wx Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 Not sure if this has been posted yet, but it was FB tagged by a friend of mine that lives next door to West Liberty. Supposedly caught on security camera. Fake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier Posted March 5, 2012 Author Share Posted March 5, 2012 Not sure if this has been posted yet, but it was FB tagged by a friend of mine that lives next door to West Liberty. Supposedly caught on security camera. Not from this event. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OceanStWx Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 Did not see this posted from Marysville, before and after I wish I could see what direction and how close the debris ended up. That could be simple case of the house being pushed off the foundation due to poor anchoring. I'm thinking that there is a pile of debris below the first floor level obscured by the hill the house is sitting on, just to the left of the foundation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
on_wx Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 Seems like the same location. Pics just from a different angle. I'm no expert on tornado strength, but would that even pass as an EF4? Large two story mansion wiped clean off it's foundation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Natester Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 Not sure if this has been posted yet, but it was FB tagged by a friend of mine that lives next door to West Liberty. Supposedly caught on security camera. Taken on June 11, 2008. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canderson Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 Oops, my mistake. Thank you guys. Will edit post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 That was Henryville Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier Posted March 5, 2012 Author Share Posted March 5, 2012 PUBLIC INFORMATION STATEMENT NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE LOUISVILLE KY 558 PM EST MON MAR 05 2012 ...A SECOND TORNADO WITH EF-1 DAMAGE CONFIRMED JUST SOUTH OF THE SOUTHERN INDIANA EF-4... DAMAGE TYPE: TORNADO EF-1 DATE: MAR 02 2012 BEGIN TIME: 3:30 PM EST END TIME: 3:36 PM EST BEGIN POINT: 6 WSW HENRYVILLE END POINT: 0.5 E HENRYVILLE WIND SPEED: MAXIMUM 110 MPH INJURIES: 0 FATALITIES: 0 NARRATIVE: PHOTOGRAPHS TAKEN DURING A CIVIL AIR PATROL FLIGHT CORROBORATE INTERVIEWS WITH RESIDENTS ALONG THE DAMAGE PATH INDICATE THAT THERE WERE INTERMITTENT TOUCHDOWNS OF A WEAKER TORNADO WITH THE SECOND SUPERCELL TO PASS OVER THE AREA FRIDAY AFTERNOON. THE SECOND STORM, WHICH PUMMELED THE RECENTLY DEVASTATED AREA WITH HAIL UP TO THE SIZE OF SOFTBALLS, FOLLOWED NEARLY THE SAME PATH AS THE FIRST SUPERCELL. AT LEAST THREE LOCATIONS ALONG THE PATH OF THIS STORM SUPPORT THE OCCURRENCE OF A TORNADO OF EF-1 INTENSITY, WITH MAXIMUM WINDS APPROACHING 110 MPH, AN INTERMITTENT PATH LENGTH OF 6.5 MILES, AND A DAMAGE PATH WIDTH OF 60 YARDS. THE FIRST OBSERVED DAMAGE WAS NEAR ROUND KNOB IN THE CLARK STATE FOREST. DAMAGE WAS AGAIN OBSERVED ALONG AND WEST OF SPEITH ROAD, 1/4 OF A MILE NORTH OF HENRYVILLE-BLUE LICK ROAD JUST SOUTHWEST OF HENRYVILLE. FINALLY, THE TORNADO LIFTED AFTER DOING DAMAGE FROM THE SOUTH SIDE OF HENRYVILLE NEAR ROBYN AVENUE TO THE EAST SIDE OF HENRYVILLE AT THE INTERSECTION OF HIGHWAY 60 AND HADDOX ROAD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tornadotony Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 Sounds like 2 separate EF4s in srn IN. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier Posted March 5, 2012 Author Share Posted March 5, 2012 Don't know if it means anything but LMK has the Clark county segment listed as EF4 here (no writeup yet) http://www.crh.noaa.gov/lmk/?n=march22012tornadooutbreak Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewxmann Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 PUBLIC INFORMATION STATEMENT NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE LOUISVILLE KY 545 PM EST MON MAR 05 2012 ...Preliminary Tornado Damage Report for Clark and Scott Counties in Indiana on March 2, 2012... Damage Type: Tornado Date: March 02 2012 Begin Time: 3:09 PM EST End Time: 3:26 PM EST EF Scale: EF4 Wind Speed: 175 mph maximum Begin Point: Washington County-Clark County line just east of S. Flatwood Road End Point: Near the Scott County-Jefferson County line just north of State Highway 362 Path Length: 16.7 miles across Clark County Path Width: 0.4 mile maximum (diameter of damage) Injuries: Unknown Fatalities: 2 (1 in Clark County, 1 in Scott County) Narrative: The National Weather Service in conjunction with Clark County Emergency Management conducted an exhaustive tornado damage survey on Saturday and Sunday, March 3 and 4. Below are the results. The tornado continued east-northeast in far northwest Clark County on Dan Gray Road where the twister leveled many well-built homes and caused extensive tree damage. The tornado here was rated EF4 with estimated wind speeds of 170 mph and a damage width of one-third mile. The tornado moved into far southeast Washington County before reappearing in Clark County. In Clark, the damage width narrowed to one-quarter mile as the tornado crossed Pixley Knob Road and decreased in intensity to EF2 with wind speeds of 115-120 mph. Farther east, the tornado intensified again as it destroyed two double wide homes on Speith Road. One family residence on the west side of the road was severely damage reflecting EF3 damage with 150 mph winds. The tornado crossed Interstate 65 damaging several vehicles and semis, and closing the interstate for several hours. Several people were trapped in these vehicles, but were later rescued. The tornado continued to strengthen just east of Exit 19 of Interstate 65 in a heavily industrialized area. Here, buildings containing several businesses were severely damaged. A home was destroyed on the east side of North Fraucke Road. The violent tornado also seriously damaged several homes on the north side of State Highway 160. Here, EF4 damage was apparent with 175 mph estimated winds. The tornado then struck the south buildings of the Henryville middle and high school complex, with severe damage and 170 mph winds (EF4). The middle school experienced the worst damage. The cafeteria was completely destroyed. Two school buses were ripped off their chassis. There was also extensive structural damage on the east side of Henryville on North Front Street and Pennsylvania Street. A high tension tower and other homes were damaged on Pine Drive. Incredible tree damage also occurred just west of Pine Drive as the tornado traveled up a ridge. In this region, the tornado was an EF3 with 150 mph winds. On Brownstown Road, many homes were severely damaged especially on the north side of the tornado track with estimated speeds of 150 mph (EF3). Farther east, there was massive deforestation on the east side of a ridge just west of and along Henryville Otisco Road. Several more homes were severely damaged along this road. One of these homes reflected EF4 damage and 170 mph winds. The tornado rapidly narrowed to a rope-like structure and ended as an EF1 with 90-95 mph winds and an 80 yard wide path. This occurred near the intersection of Blackberry Trail and State Highway 3. Simultaneously, a new tornado vortex rapidly formed near Mahan Road and Old State Road 3 immediately southwest of the first tornado. The second tornado began as an EF1 and damaged a church. The vortex quickly intensified to EF3 strength as it crossed the south part of the town on Marysville, severely damaging several homes. A Civil Air Patrol flight on Sunday, March 4 revealed extensive ground scouring in farmers` fields east of Marysville all the way to the Jefferson-Scott County line. This scouring was evidence of a multi-vortex tornado, which was confirmed by multiple videos and photographs. Several homes were severely damaged near and south of the intersection of Nabb New Washington Road and Marysville Nabb Road (EF3, 150 mph winds, one-third mile damage path width). The tornado continued north of Barnes Road damaging several clusters of trees in open country. The tornado intensified east of the intersection of Kettle Bottom and State Highway 362. In Scott County, immediately north of Highway 362 and east of Concord Road, three homes were severely damaged while five double wide mobile homes were completely destroyed. Here, the tornado was an EF4 with 170 mph winds. Just south of 362 in Clark County, two additional homes and power polls were damaged greatly. From there, the tornado crossed into Jefferson County, Indiana. $$ National Weather Service Louisville, KY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tornadotony Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 I dunno...seems like they are just breaking it down into county segments. What makes you think that? The 5:45 PNS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier Posted March 5, 2012 Author Share Posted March 5, 2012 The 5:45 PNS. Yeah I just saw that. My bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewxmann Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 This is going to be one of those Hesston-Goessel or Picher-Neosho type situations where the damage is continuous, but in fact one vortex dissipated and another took over, so to speak. Also, Marysville damage is EF3, apparently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier Posted March 5, 2012 Author Share Posted March 5, 2012 This is going to be one of those Hesston-Goessel or Picher-Neosho type situations where the damage is continuous, but in fact one vortex dissipated and another took over, so to speak. Also, Marysville damage is EF3, apparently. So then does that count as 1 or 2 tornadoes since there is essentially no gap? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OceanStWx Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 Farther east, there was massive deforestation on the eastside of a ridge just west of and along Henryville Otisco Road. Several more homes were severely damaged along this road. One of these homes reflected EF4 damage and 170 mph winds. I believe this is the house in question in the before/after photo. The location I've seen it reported as being from was Henryville Otisco Road. This makes sense to call it "all walls" collapsed. It is probable that the failure point was the three car garage, and once that is compromised tornadic winds were able to take down the rest of the structure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewxmann Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 So then does that count as 1 or 2 tornadoes since there is essentially no gap? In the former case I mentioned, it was counted as two. In the latter case, one, despite the numerous eyewitness reports of the Picher tornado roping out before being absorbed by the developing Neosho tornado. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier Posted March 5, 2012 Author Share Posted March 5, 2012 Looks like LMK has it as 1 tornado with a 49 mile path length. http://www.crh.noaa.gov/Image/lmk/03022012_EF4.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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