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10/29 Snowloween -- Thread 1


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Only about 380' AMSL here, but still am expecting anywhere from 2 to 6 inches. Even seeing flakes would begin the weenie winter! What a weekend! Snow and DAWGS football!

This could be a good analog for how snowfall accumulations look by elevation dependent not so much amounts. I remember this storm. It was raining in the morning and the mets were thinking only 1-3. Dynamics took over and sh*t hit the fan, 7-8 inches later and several large white pine branches down

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Think of how a storm generally occludes, moving away from the triple point of the warm, occluded and cold fronts where pressure is already naturally low and into the high pressure usually situated off to the northwest.

yea, you are correct just saw the indiv ens members, they are pretty tightly stacked...why is the baginess favored to the east? Some kind of inverted trof or what not accompany noreasters?

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Good call, that's not a bad analog at all. Very astute.

This could be a good analog for how snowfall accumulations look by elevation dependent not so much amounts. I remember this storm. It was raining in the morning and the mets were thinking only 1-3. Dynamics took over and sh*t hit the fan, 7-8 inches later and several large white pine branches down

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my location had 17" during that storm and this is less than 400 feet amsl.

and not to play devil's advocate, but based on these i do not see a strict elevation difference...more of a north to south and east to west variation based on latitude and position of the low.

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FOR THESE REPORTS.

TFG

Good call, that's not a bad analog at all. Very astute.

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my location had 17" during that storm and this is less than 400 feet amsl.

and not to play devil's advocate, but based on these i do not see a strict elevation difference...more of a north to south and east to west variation based on latitude and position of the low.

all the higher elevations though are located north and west of the city. Remember having elev around this region could be considered 400 ft or greater. Also, your region is 60-70 miles away from the city where you dont need as much elevation. Look at portions of delco where the higher elev that reach 500 ft in the northern part got 12-15 while southern parts less than 150 ft got 3-5. you can pretty distinctly pick out the fall line on that map.

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i know i see the difference. but some people indicate elevation makes the difference when greater than 800-1000 feet. anyway, this is a super rare early season storm, so yes, elevation will matter. it was a good analog and this will be fun few days. i think there is major bust disappointment for the folks along the coastal plain the nyc thread.

and to edit, since ive lived in the lehigh valley, i have yet to see a big difference in living west of the coastal areas in terms of snowfall. usually it is the other way around, but this time could show the differences.

all the higher elevations though are located north and west of the city. Remember having elev around this region could be considered 400 ft or greater. Also, your region is 60-70 miles away from the city where you dont need as much elevation. Look at portions of delco where the higher elev that reach 500 ft in the northern part got 12-15 while southern parts less than 150 ft got 3-5. you can pretty distinctly pick out the fall line on that map.

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i know i see the difference. but some people indicate elevation makes the difference when greater than 800-1000 feet. anyway, this is a super rare early season storm, so yes, elevation will matter. it was a good analog and this will be fun few days. i think there is major bust disappointment for the folks along the coastal plain the nyc thread.

and to edit, since ive lived in the lehigh valley, i have yet to see a big difference in living west of the coastal areas in terms of snowfall. usually it is the other way around, but this time could show the differences.

You're in a better spot than say, Philly...but in philly having 300-400 feet would make all the difference between a couple of inches (or more) and slush.

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i know i see the difference. but some people indicate elevation makes the difference when greater than 800-1000 feet. anyway, this is a super rare early season storm, so yes, elevation will matter. it was a good analog and this will be fun few days. i think there is major bust disappointment for the folks along the coastal plain the nyc thread.

and to edit, since ive lived in the lehigh valley, i have yet to see a big difference in living west of the coastal areas in terms of snowfall. usually it is the other way around, but this time could show the differences.

agreed, i can see the airport having a snow rain mix for the whole storm or changes over to a wet snow that never sticks..while 200 ft in elev gets 1-3 inches

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You're in a better spot than say, Philly...but in philly having 300-400 feet would make all the difference between a couple of inches (or more) and slush.

Yep, It is extremely noticible around where I am. We have the Great Valley at 200 ft where I used to live. If you drive 3 minutes to the hill to our south everything is white with borderline storms, while the valley is all wet and slushy. And that's only a 200-300 feet difference.

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Unfortunately I will be down in Sea Isle City this weekend....putting a weather station on the roof of my place at the shore.

I would imagine NW Chesco will have a little better shot at snow. Just ran the Wxsim but it is very unimpressed using the 18z data. Lots of mixing with 1 to 2 slushy inches. I would expect my location with a bit of elevation here may do pretty well. Will have to find a neighbor and compare what Iceman56 has in Glenmoore to here...Unless I can convince the wife to delay our trip till Sat night....(the life of a snow weenie!)

Should be an interesting!

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