IsentropicLift Posted March 14, 2011 Share Posted March 14, 2011 That is just way too hard to do. HECS are historic because they only happen a few times a century if that. Storms may be historic over a very isolated region such as Boxing Day but the overall impact over the east coast is the most important factor in my opinion. For MBY, 96 far surpassed Boxing Day. Now, if you want to label the calander year of 2010 historic, I don't have a problem with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CooL Posted March 14, 2011 Share Posted March 14, 2011 How about it was a historic year for our backyards but not a historic year for the east coast? i always loved the "HECS" debates..why? because its a weenie made up defintion with everyone having their own opinion on what it means so no one will be right.. btw, i can hear my echo, the weather right now is the most boring it as been in a looong time.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psv88 Posted March 14, 2011 Share Posted March 14, 2011 How about it was a historic year for our backyards but not a historic year for the east coast? i always loved the "HECS" debates..why? because its a weenie made up defintion with everyone having their own opinion on what it means so no one will be right.. btw, i can hear my echo, the weather right now is the most boring it as been in a looong time.. yea its pretty brutal...nothing worse than in the unforseeable future only 45-50 degree days, maybe a little warmer, mainly cloudy days. Not warm enough to be outside and enjoy it, not cold enough to snow. awful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzucker Posted March 14, 2011 Share Posted March 14, 2011 yea its pretty brutal...nothing worse than in the unforseeable future only 45-50 degree days, maybe a little warmer, mainly cloudy days. Not warm enough to be outside and enjoy it, not cold enough to snow. awful. Welcome to mid-March in NYC metro. However, we should be in the 60s Thursday and Friday with sunshine, so that's going to feel nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CooL Posted March 14, 2011 Share Posted March 14, 2011 Welcome to mid-March in NYC metro. However, we should be in the 60s Thursday and Friday with sunshine, so that's going to feel nice. lookin forward to that, this cold weather is getting on my nerves and its always windy somehow, im goin thru basketball withdrawals lol..I don't like that NAO going negative - could mean a cruddy spring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winterwarlock Posted March 15, 2011 Share Posted March 15, 2011 a run at 70 IMBY for Thursday and Friday...can I get a woot woot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pazzo83 Posted March 15, 2011 Share Posted March 15, 2011 Gonna be close getting to 32 in Central Park tonight. Sitting at 40F with a dwpt of 25F. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJO812 Posted March 15, 2011 Share Posted March 15, 2011 The Boxing day blizzard is my favorite storm of all time. The wind,combined with the thundersnow and huge drifts made it an impressive storm. I know the blizzard of 96 had a lot of impact, but I don't really remember that storm. This is why the December storm is my favorite. 25 inches. Models brought it back on Christmas Eve. Best Christmas Eve ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A-L-E-X Posted March 15, 2011 Share Posted March 15, 2011 We're talking about plowing? Im talking amount of snow. 1996 had much more snow then boxing day for all of Queens. 25"+, including on all side streets and main streets. Plowing was better during 1996; that I agree with; but it was still a very disruptive storm that had an impact for at least a week. 1996 was very disruptive in Queens and LI. Youre correct-- the 1996 storm was amazing in its expanse and the city was paralyzed for over a week-- no traffic or transit whatsoever. And that was without a mayoral controversy. The Dec blizzard should not have been as paralyzing as it was-- a lot of that had to do with a breakdown of the system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A-L-E-X Posted March 15, 2011 Share Posted March 15, 2011 By that logic, we only had two historic snowstorms... JAN 1996 and Feb 03. Doesn't make any sense. February 6, 2010 had 30" inches of snow for Balitmore Maryland, that wasn't a HECS, what do you call it then? And 28.5" in Philly. I bet people of DC-BWI would call it a HECS. He's right bro-- HECS needs to be differentiated from Historic NYC or Historic PHILLY or whatever city storm. Feb 1983, Jan 1996 and PD2 are the only three HECS I have witnessed. I put Dec 2010 right after those three. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris L Posted March 15, 2011 Share Posted March 15, 2011 He's right bro-- HECS needs to be differentiated from Historic NYC or Historic PHILLY or whatever city storm. Then it gets too complex... Way too complex... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CooL Posted March 15, 2011 Share Posted March 15, 2011 He's right bro-- HECS needs to be differentiated from Historic NYC or Historic PHILLY or whatever city storm. Feb 1983, Jan 1996 and PD2 are the only three HECS I have witnessed. I put Dec 2010 right after those three. are you basing your definition off of I-95 impact? i would throw in 1993 as a historic EAST coast storm, but like i said before, ALL opinion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris L Posted March 15, 2011 Share Posted March 15, 2011 It is absurd to say February 5-6 2010 was NOT a HECS.... Same goes for DEC 26-27, 2010, and the great Blizzard of 1978. NESIS 4 and 5 are full blown HECS.. But 1978 wasn't a NESIS 4. Since any CITY on the East Coast, if say Norfolk VA gets 18 inches of snow, that's a HECS for them., hands down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
earthlight Posted March 15, 2011 Author Share Posted March 15, 2011 60 degrees on Thursday per the NAM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzucker Posted March 15, 2011 Share Posted March 15, 2011 The Boxing day blizzard is my favorite storm of all time. The wind,combined with the thundersnow and huge drifts made it an impressive storm. I know the blizzard of 96 had a lot of impact, but I don't really remember that storm. This is why the December storm is my favorite. 25 inches. Models brought it back on Christmas Eve. Best Christmas Eve ever. That was an awesome Christmas present...storm was great for its winds and brutal cold here but the snowfall total of 13" was relatively pedestrian especially considering I had 26" in the 2010 Snowicane. Boxing Day was a very intense and dangerous storm, but I don't think it can compare to January 1996 because the coverage of the latter storm was so much greater, dealing 2' of snow from DC to Boston whereas 12/26 was mostly for NYC and parts of SNE. The excitement of following a blizzard crushing the entire I-95 corridor was great if you were old enough; I was only 8 years old but I still remember snippets of the Weather Channel and the clean-up which involved spending hours digging out buried cars. It was a winter wonderland out there for days, and we had three consecutive snow days as the clean-up effort was massive. January 1996 blizzard in Tarrytown, NY(Westchester County): The official total from the Dobbs Ferry co-op was 16.8", a serious undermeasurement. Central Park reported 20.2" which I also think is on the low end. I wouldn't be surprised if 25-30" fell given my memories of the storm, the above image, and the fact that it was extremely powdery snow with drifting that often leads people to measure conservatively in order to avoid inflation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris L Posted March 15, 2011 Share Posted March 15, 2011 JAN 1996: 25 inches for you, Nate... easily. My friend claims NYC got 27.5" from JAN 1996.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzucker Posted March 15, 2011 Share Posted March 15, 2011 Since any CITY on the East Coast, if say Norfolk VA gets 18 inches of snow, that's a HECS for them., hands down. HECS means" historic East Coast snowstorm," so it's not supposed to be applied to individual locations. Obviously, each major snowfall can be "historic" for a given location, but a HECS is one that's very widespread in its effects. In my book, the only true HECS in recent times were December 2009, February 2006, February 2003, April 1997, January 1996, and March 1993. None of the other storms were really widespread enough to be a HECS, but that doesn't mean individual areas didn't have an historic snowstorm, like New England in January 2005 or NYC metro in Snowicane 2010. I consider anything over 18" a HECS for Dobbs Ferry, so the only events to meet that criteria in the past decade would be February 25, 2010 and February 12, 2006. PDII just missed here with 16" recorded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A-L-E-X Posted March 15, 2011 Share Posted March 15, 2011 are you basing your definition off of I-95 impact? i would throw in 1993 as a historic EAST coast storm, but like i said before, ALL opinion Yeah, I would throw that in there too, even though I HATED that storm. Ugh lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A-L-E-X Posted March 15, 2011 Share Posted March 15, 2011 HECS means" historic East Coast snowstorm," so it's not supposed to be applied to individual locations. Obviously, each major snowfall can be "historic" for a given location, but a HECS is one that's very widespread in its effects. In my book, the only true HECS in recent times were December 2009, February 2006, February 2003, April 1997, January 1996, and March 1993. None of the other storms were really widespread enough to be a HECS, but that doesn't mean individual areas didn't have an historic snowstorm, like New England in January 2005 or NYC metro in Snowicane 2010. I consider anything over 18" a HECS for Dobbs Ferry, so the only events to meet that criteria in the past decade would be February 25, 2010 and February 12, 2006. PDII just missed here with 16" recorded. Hold on a second Zucker April 1997 was not widespread by any means. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A-L-E-X Posted March 15, 2011 Share Posted March 15, 2011 And actually neither was February 2006 (especially with the 16+ inch amounts.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris L Posted March 15, 2011 Share Posted March 15, 2011 HECS means" historic East Coast snowstorm," so it's not supposed to be applied to individual locations. Obviously, each major snowfall can be "historic" for a given location, but a HECS is one that's very widespread in its effects. In my book, the only true HECS in recent times were December 2009, February 2006, February 2003, April 1997, January 1996, and March 1993. None of the other storms were really widespread enough to be a HECS, but that doesn't mean individual areas didn't have an historic snowstorm, like New England in January 2005 or NYC metro in Snowicane 2010. I consider anything over 18" a HECS for Dobbs Ferry, so the only events to meet that criteria in the past decade would be February 25, 2010 and February 12, 2006. PDII just missed here with 16" recorded. I would consider anything over 18 inches also a HECS as well.. Surprised no February 2010 in your book. IMO, they were all HECS that month. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris L Posted March 15, 2011 Share Posted March 15, 2011 And actually neither was February 2006. Then how do we call NYC biggest snowstorm? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A-L-E-X Posted March 15, 2011 Share Posted March 15, 2011 I have my own standards for HECS.... which is at least three cities from the following list need to get 16 inches or more of snow (DC,BWI,PHL,NYC,PVD,BOS). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris L Posted March 15, 2011 Share Posted March 15, 2011 My standards: IF it droped 20-30" in a location such as BWI-PHL-NYC, it's a HECS. February 6 2010: HECS from DC-PHL. February 10, 2010: HECS BWI-PHL with MECS for NYC. February 25-26 2010: HECS for NYC-Hudson Valley. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CooL Posted March 15, 2011 Share Posted March 15, 2011 Then how do we call NYC biggest snowstorm? a historic NYC snowstorm? and not a historic east coast snowstorm? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A-L-E-X Posted March 15, 2011 Share Posted March 15, 2011 Then how do we call NYC biggest snowstorm? It definitely was a Historic NYC snowstorm 25 miles east of the City I got 13" lol. We need a large area of 16-20"+ amounts for a HECS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersWx92 Posted March 15, 2011 Share Posted March 15, 2011 For mby I rank boxing day number one. I kno people like to look for snow amounts and region covered. But by dc not seeing a flake does not make or break that storm for me. I saw a hundred stranded cars on the express lane on the parkway between Holmdel and red bank. All had 6 ft drifts around them. My area def took the brunt of it. Toms river had 30 inches from that. Plus with the strong winds it hamper the snow growth, so def the 1-26 had a better show for pure rate. Amazing what a difference 15 miles can make. Here in Bridgewater I will remember Boxing Day 2010 as nothing more than an ordinary snowstorm (9 inches), and in fact I won't even really remember it in a good light because of how painful it was to see that band stop just to my east and to see totals so much higher than mine so close to my east. January 26-27, 2011 was a WAY better storm for me; in fact it was my favorite storm out of the last two winters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A-L-E-X Posted March 15, 2011 Share Posted March 15, 2011 I have my own standards for HECS.... which is at least three cities from the following list need to get 16 inches or more of snow (DC,BWI,PHL,NYC,PVD,BOS). Actually make that 4..... Just having 3 out of 6 doesn't make the coverage large enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Analog96 Posted March 15, 2011 Share Posted March 15, 2011 JAN 1996: 25 inches for you, Nate... easily. My friend claims NYC got 27.5" from JAN 1996.. I had 28.8 here, why wouldn't they have? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris L Posted March 15, 2011 Share Posted March 15, 2011 a historic NYC snowstorm? and not a historic east coast snowstorm? Then it gets covoluted... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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