brooklynwx99

I have been saying (as well as others here) that we would have to wait until after the 15th through the end of the month since last week and I don't see any reason to stray from that now. the pattern hadn't established itself before then, and models often rush pattern changes by a few days, so I don't get what all the panic is about both here and on social media. it's just not wanting to wait this was the pattern for two weeks leading up to BDB, which amounted to some cutters and fish storms... people were freaking out then too. look at the Pacific! look familiar? we just have to be patient. disclaimer: i know that some here got skunked by that storm, but that was more of a matter of bad luck than anything else. was still a beast of a storm here are some snapshots from December 2010: there was a raging cutter on 12/13: cold and dry with an absolute garbage Pacific on 12/16: a storm going OTS, leaving us cold and dry with a deep trough off the WC on 12/21: and then a historic coastal storm 5 days later on 12/26: I'm sure the melts were of epic proportions back then and everyone looked a bit silly afterwards for not staying the course. not gonna lie, I probably would've started to get a bit frustrated myself

also, here are some snapshots from the second half of December 2010: there was a raging cutter on 12/13: cold and dry with an absolute garbage Pacific on 12/16: a storm going OTS, leaving us cold and dry with a deep trough off the WC on 12/21: and then, as we all know, a historic blizzard 5 days later on 12/26: I'm sure the melts were of epic proportions back then and everyone looked a bit silly afterwards for not staying the course. not gonna lie, I probably would've started to get a bit frustrated myself

I have been saying (as well as some others) that we would have to wait until after the 15th through the end of the month since last week and I don't see any reason to stray from that now. the pattern hadn't established itself before then, and models often rush pattern changes by a few days, so I don't get what all the panic is about both here and on social media. it's just not wanting to wait this was the pattern for two weeks leading up to BDB, which amounted to some cutters and fish storms... people were freaking out then too. look at the Pacific! look familiar? we just have to be patient

anyway, the EPS remains very nice looking from the threat on the 12th onward

people are gonna like that one lmao

EPS is improved with the weekend system sharper vort as well as a stronger HP... there should be some good members in here

the 12z GEFS is pretty interesting with the weekend storm... definitely starting to see some slowing down and amplifying of this shortwave as we move forward in time also really nice HP location and strength to bring in some cold air. this bears watching IMO

the weekend system definitely bears watching. peculiar setup, but good things can happen with a ULL and a strong HP to the north

what the hell even is this

no, nothing is the most important in a vacuum. you can have a +PNA and still have an unfavorable winter pattern if there's low AK heights or a strong +NAO

I agree. I'm just leaning on the EPS here since there's a ridiculous amount of variability and it has the most observations and the most members, so hopefully it can properly deal with all of the different solutions here. the GEFS has also been flopping around like crazy after day 8 or so while the EPS has remained consistent, so there's that

yup! still thinking after the 15th until the end of the month before a potential reload? there's a really strong correlation between -NAOs in Dec / Jan, so this isn't going to be a one and done either. there should be lots of chances' one of which is this weekend! kind of a weird setup, but we want to see the block and S/W strengthen in tandem to get more convergence... that's a really nice HP in Canada already though

haha I know that you guys got skunked with that storm, but I would roll the dice with that general setup every time in the MA

still think that the period around the 12th holds a good amount of potential... looks like a strong shortwave gets forced under the block and amplifies the EPS is also really nice after the 12-14th threat. the -NAO sits in the Davis Strait and the West Coast becomes more favorable as the MJO straightens itself out I still believe that we're going to see a lot of chances after the 15th as the pattern fully develops. these take time to form... there was even lots of frustration before BDB in 2010

still think that the period around the 12th holds a good amount of potential... looks like a strong shortwave gets forced under the block and amplifies the EPS is really nice looking after the 12-14th threat. the -NAO sits in the Davis Strait and the West Coast becomes more favorable as the MJO straightens itself out I still believe that we're going to see a lot of chances after the 15th as the pattern fully develops. these take time to form... there was even lots of frustration before BDB in 2010

as i said yesterday… this looks horrible. draw the shades for a while

EPS looks amazing with a strong WB -NAO as well as a nice -EPO that’ll provide the cold air and strong NS shortwaves we’re going to have to be patient. not much has really changed, as most of the larger chances still likely come after the 15th. not to say that the 12th or so is shot, it’s just gravy compared to the latter half of the month the blocking is happening, by the way. there’s way too much hemispheric support for it to fail at this point… it’s a common progression from Scandinavia that is also known to start with SE ridging! that’s how these regimes start. just have to let it play out

EPS looks amazing with a strong WB -NAO as well as a nice -EPO that’ll provide the cold air and strong NS shortwaves we’re going to need patience, but nothing has really changed. have to wait until the 15th onward most likely for anything substantial, but that was always the case

i thought winter was canceled i agree though. you have the strong WB -NAO and a stout -EPO to provide the cold air as well as vigorous NS shortwaves… the weakness off of S CA is also indicative of the STJ being somewhat active

i mean, most of the dissenting views that i’ve seen on this forum and others are just “well, this might not happen because i don’t think it will” with no actual analysis besides Murphy’s Law like a weird weather defensive coping mechanism

for what? two days around the 8th?

it isn’t really delayed though… it still shows up around the 12-14th which has been the window for a while now

some of you guys need to stop reading into all of these OP runs… this pattern is so amplified and it’s going to wreak havoc on NWP. even the ensembles (especially the GEFS/GEPS) are inconsistent and it’s also kinda been established by a few here that anything that happens before the 12-15th is gravy, so take what you can get beforehand, but don’t expect anything either

EPS still looks really good. it’s been the most consistent by far, and it’s pattern progression makes the most sense given the retrograding block and what they often do to the waveguide

beautiful