Typhoon Tip

ICON’s 500 mb is succumbing to the Miami rule ... that’s why it’s smearing that out.

Start a thread and grow up Jesus Christ… Either that or start a new December thread as things got over 100 pages pain in the ass

The storm for Christmas looks like the much better option actually ...

I think Will or someone has a snow chart they can throw out ?? Make me a liar I won't mind..But I do recall getting dissed by that sucker ... I think there was a meso band that was like Willamantic CT to Acton to ASH ...that was noticeably screwed

As far as speed of a storm itself - non issue for me... Of the many jaw dropping snow events I remember, two happened inside of 6 hours...and both were just shy of 20 " ... 1997, 2005... Both put down a 7.5 in one hour ! Big choking deposition rates can happen with extreme rapidity given the right circumstances -

Slowness ?? ...who's talking about slowness.... Oh see why you think that - no, I 'm not concerned with the speed of the storm motion itself... I'm concerned with the synoptic speed between Japan and England...hahaha... seriously though - it's getting the damn event to set up so ideally base on what the models are doing with a fast, inherently non-deterministic flow regime... Two different things -

I didn't forget it ... ha - had some nasty meso neggie bands that kept snow totals down...and disproportionately awarded SE zones with 40" or something... I was in Middlesex midriff region ...Acton, and we got 9" I think so pedestrian.. I was thinking that storm fails to peer with the big dawgs because it did that - But it's subjective of course -

We've talked about this 'conditioning' aspect many times in the past but yeah... Those of us that remember the scorn and spurn 1980s ... a 6-10" was a juggernaut rarity.. We had more than a few storms that decade that were billed as ... " the biggest event since 1978' " and well, I guess 10.4" was in fact the biggest event since 1978 until 1992 or thereabouts... Oh right - yeah..... I guess Cape Cod got clipped by a couple of whitecanes but ... don't get me started on 1987's debacle January that year - the famed 4th period blizzard warning that verified partly sunny in 6 F cold while the Cape was denuded of all life... Anyway, those that came into sentience since that decade which ..probably is a considerable population of this type of social mediaspheric engagement frankly .. they don't realize this handing foot deep snow events out like entitled Pez dispensing ease is unique to this ... auh... maybe it's a climate change thing - I dunno. But it's not the way anyone older than maybe 33 thinks as normal - If you're a 24 year old you only have donut stuffing machine impressions with just a few bad winters... And that's what's interesting about the winters in the since 2000 era: two of the worst winters I ever recall happened since 2000, ...in an era where I've 300 % more snow than I remember spanning decades prior -

...I also just noticed a subtle backing off of the GEFs PNA decline ...and in fact, it tries to swell now in concerted fashion among the members later next week.. It could be that we are seeing an over correction in the PNA go back a bit more positive ... That's code for gee - can we maybe get a western ridge to pop just a little more as that thing gets ejected? Hey, what's that analog site - I'm wondering if 2003's on the list ...certainly looks on the surface like it should be ( pun intended )

What ...? oh ..heh. 'shoulda kept with the ball bustin' - you were winning

Interesting ... I guess that storm did actually get down to respectively ... Hm... I swear I remembered that being a weaker - it may have also been a situation where the damage was already done - so that this was upon exit and not really doing as much as that looks suggest - I remember something peculiar about that storm as being superb snow generation relative to its look either way.. But, this is the 7th and 12z

oh I don't problem with the event... it's getting that set up - I know your busin' balls it's all good... But the flow is too damn flat and fast for me to trust... I'd almost be surprised if this didn't turn into something else... Maybe more ? hey - how about that... who with me!

yeah... I was just getting the numbers out there word! I think I was 22 but not sure... 18 anyway -

Here you go on the 6th, 12z ... all that trouble from a 1004 mb low ... 15 to 20 " worth - don't have to have very big intense bombs all the time... Sometimes you max out one or two metrical values and viola

So... here comes the boom ... surface high N and low Miller Bs up underneath - or gets ready to at 12z here on the 5th... Note it is not an overwhelmingly powerful system... but, that high up there was f'g'n cold man! ...and this thing rollin' underneath just absolutely was flawless DGZ glide

Ah ...gotcha -... yeah... truth be told, all these storms have some sort of analogical relationship... I mean, cold north warm south moisture involved ne wind ... they all got that going for them... lol

That's one of my most favorite transition weeks of all time... Here was a infamous traffic snarl windex event that heralded in the cold that set stage for the system later that week... That inocuos trough and green smudging there was the most afflicting 1/2 to 1.5" of snow of all times. I-95 was a parking lot that morning and it took people like 4 hours get to the office. Temp went like 37 to 25 in white outs squalls like immediately, and the roads flashed

I'm the one who said that to him back then by the way... Out of the mouths of babes and onto television -- Yeah, that storied storm - you're talking about December 2003, 5-7th ?? - That had a bitter cold air mass packed into eastern Ontario. I remember the cold exerion down the coastal plain/damming and burier jet ... just insane. Enough that it sandwiched the CF all the way down in, ..well, almost to Sandwich.. Exaggerating to make the point here but it was like 42 F at the Sag. bridge and 22F more 5 miles west of there - something like that. I know it was 19 F up where I was living in Winchester Mass at the time ...which is actually S of Woburn down I-93 ... I think we got 18" of pow pow out of that and managed a bare ground x-mass - haha

Once there ... sure! I mean I'm not trying to be a deb downer ...and I realize I'm hammering this point to no avail ( lol ...) but I just don't like the shallow N-S coordinate while raging 100 to 150 kt mid tropospheric jet and flat PNAP ... transporting open longitudinal waves off the Pacific like that whole lead up is. It may happen...okay. Fine... and I agree, as is? That's a fine tasty look. I tell you what *if* *if* *if* that pattern morphs successfully into that configuration ( for the folk reader - ) you wouldn't need a hugely powerful system to create a prolific snow result. The kinematic structure is quite superb in that set up ... that's a 'snow machine' look .. perfect 700 mb easterly anomaly running up over a steadily backing wind with depth... NNE over interior .. very cold column... wow - I just don't like how we get there... Hope it does though - this is some seriously boring weather otherwise, huh

Heh ... at least it keeps the wave open at D7 passing the the wind max thru the upper MA and S of NE ... That's a reasonable good fit - problem is...getting to that point first. That D4 --> 5 ...well, assessing what's coming off the Pacific ...let's get that ironed out first. I mean this thing comes from well west of California to S of NS and the wind max's trajectory doesn't really vary in the N-S plain by more than 1K naut miles... pretty cool actually - like a rifle wave ...

I'd like to see the Euro hold that at < 5 days ... That smacks as typical curvature loading when dumping Pac waves east of ~100 W .. passing between day 5 and 6.. Thing is, I think there is a wave space that is legit - at some point the weight of these ensemble means should have a say. I cannot underscore the deterministic challenges in a flat fast flow that is really ... faster then any time in history - really as a multi years/seasonal issue going on at planetary scales. But that's getting out there... Hopefully it works out - I'd like to see more ridging in the west too

GGEM is more than a mere outlier - it's telling... This is a highly volatile week's worth of shrapnel coming off the Pacific with very low deterministic value - I think if folks truly got their heads around this ...and adhered to it ...the ebullience would rightfully be held in check - ... lol.... It's okay but...you do the dopamine thing and it is palpable, and you do what you gotta do to bring joy to your life, even if it is allowing these 'tools' in the tool chest trigger - I gotta tell you - I got a socket wrench that really does it for me. hahaha

It's probably more an indictment on this Kuchera's method but ... given to the antecedent air mass/ in situ during ... and the storm synoptic evolution being sort of "ideal" ( ish )... that kind of snow layout/gradient is unrealistic... I don't have a problem in modern climate of finding the PWAT necessary to neighborhood the coveted 30" award ...but having all of VT ... zero ? I bet half those band numbers at most max ... or, there is quite a bit more of a NW realization than this depiction - again ...predicated on the assumption that antecedent air mass/ in situ during ... and the storm synoptic evolution are closer to reality. I think we'd find it hard in climate annuls to find that sort of snow result anologs - just a hunch

I know... holy cryo hell. I wonder if at some point this winter does it and we'll wanna refer back to this discussion lol

Hey... you guys only see the neg-head side of that uncertainty - "math" requires there's a possibility in either direction; it could very well come in great, too - I never said no to that ... go back and read the fugger - ... I said, "confidence" is low - that can mean anything. I just read a 'tenor' for optimism ...and while I don't have a problem with optimism itself, it has to be foundationed in something... I hear the melody in here and it sounds like someone dreaming of a someone they used to know, and thinking that because it's on the radio - that must be a sign... hahaha... Oh god - welcome to my life