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I am gonna roll with the GFS being west of 6z. It is digging every so lightly more at 36. But truly...IDK.
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You all who have been watching this closely for a couple of days...should be able to spot trends early as it is under 84 hours now.
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Oddly, if it is a big storm, I rarely worry about ground temps. Those can be overcome. Heavy rates trump.
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Thinking more about that good question...I say let it rip in terms of strength. We are going to need that to overcome temps. We want cold air crashing into the NW quadrant. I think we only get that if it deepens.
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Also, downsloping along the western foothills is definitely a concern if cold air is not in place and is being manufactured. The 12z NAM shows that downsloping effect quite well. W NC is cold and E TN is in the mid 40s. Need this to hit at night. What is the timing on this? I haven't even looked.
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The NAM at range has a biased of being amped. Word of caution there, and I know you all know that. That is for new folks. That could easily trend SE if it sobers up. But again, this is more of closing off vs just synoptically riding an inbound front. So, the NAM "could" be correct as the closing off point is not at 84, but earlier in the run.
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That is an exceptionally great set-up if legit...at range gives me pause. That is how you get a big winter storm. The likelihood of somebody in the SE getting hammered is growing.
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Man, IDK. Old model biases are out the window this winter. I tend to think we want it just to our southwest given the trend all winter of storms coming back west(some bigly so). That said, Fountain makes a great point about when it closes off being key. By tomorrow at this time, we need to be right in the middle of that cone, and not the westward edge of guidance. Two things have helped me this winter. Don't trust the GFS d10+ w/ cold. Trust it more than the Euro inside of d5. If this event gets more extreme(higher totals), the GFS is probably more likely to get this right(John's rule). The GFS actually caught the southeast trend first, and was an extreme outlier....until it was likely right. So, I lean GFS right now...but I do take notice when the Euro backs west like it did at 6z. It is often adjusts first to that westward trend. Used to one could just say the GFS is too progressive, and it is coming northwest. One could also say the Euro is wound up to much and will jog southeast....Those old rules don't apply as much. For now, I would just blend the ensembles. That gives us I-81/I-75 as the western edge of guidance....for now. Downsloping would eat a bunch of that up on the western slopes of the Apps. Western NC looks prime w/ E TN the big question mark.
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The 6z GEFS and EPS individuals. FTR, the GEPS(Canadian) is mostly nothing, and a few hits to the Carolinas.
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The 6z Euro control(and I checked) picks up almost exactly where the operational stops. For those new to the Euro off-run, it doesn't go out as far. So, you have to look at the control run of the ensemble to see where it would have gone. It is waaaay west from 0z.
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The 6z Euro ensemble ups totals for E TN and the Plateau. The control is big. The GFS, if it is right, is a NC special. The Euro is not there yet, but it had trouble w/ the last storm. It was far, far too far to the northwest. OTH, the GFS was to far to the SE and blew thermal profiles until the last minute.
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Just convert from military time, and then I think subtract 5 from that.
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The 18z GEFS individual members are clustered around North Carolina...very few for E TN. But if this thing keeps jogging eastward, we may need some room. Wishing 24-36 hours, this thing is likely to lock in though. The EPS at 18z is a nice uptick.
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That is awesome VolMan! Great photos! As for the 18z GFS, is it going to flirt with a Miller A?
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No doubt about that. Higher sun angles will do that.
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On the super long range front, I have been trying to find a model by week 4 which doesn't have a strong -NAO. That is likely the strat warm stuff kicking in. Still a long way out there, and modeling has missed on this during Jan...but there it is. I said this yesterday, I still don't see Spring on modeling yet.
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I think there is a very real chance that MBY may get more snow after Feb18th than it did prior to that.
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We may be stealing some Nino climatology here at the end of winter. When I look at modeling, there is a tendency for weakness in heights over the SE. It takes a couple of systems cutting to our west, but the boundary (at times in the LR) presses Southeast of us. Fountain has some great posts above. That set-up is likely due in part to Nino climatology.
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LOL. So my youngest daughter was born in Jan of 2013. We took her home from the hospital and just about couldn't get into the neighborhood as rain changed to snow. It was about a seven mile drive. We left the hospital while it as raining and spitting snow. As we got her to the door, the sky flashed and it began to thunder as the snow just poured down. I had left sub plans left at school, but didn't put the early dismissal procedures in the folder as I did not expect this! I quickly called school to make sure the sub had some guidance. Busses were stuck on Skyland Drive here in town. It was a glorious mess.
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Yep....modeling is hinting at phase 8 again(w/ a loop in that phase to boot). It looks like this initiates sometime between Feb 17-21. I would think that is a window(or beginning of a window) for yet another round of wintry temps/precip for our forum area.
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