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The fact Michiganders are having a back and forth over 1" wet snow event in mid December might say more about the futility were in versus the ORD record.

^ Trolls. Set my alarm for 3 am and I've got nothing, but wet pavement.

I'm all for the record at this point. But the trends in the longer term are a little disheartening. Was really hoping for a turn over the holidays.

Best story is to get the record and still get to 50 " for the season. With either(2 ) 1 foot events or a 20 incher.

When Larry Cosgrove starts getting mentioned in our threads we are nearing the breaking point for some folks.

^ A forecast of colder and snowier. Ballsy.

start the thread.

^ Now that were within 10 days I feel it necessary to update my original call for Christmas. Please note there have been some changes.

not excited. I hate wind. don't understand the fascination.

^ a relative bonanza. Really irks me when true weather watchers miss these type of events in their own back yard while trying to horn in on my futility records.

and there it is: "A REMINDER THAT THE 20TH (MONDAY) IS THE RECORD IN THE CITY OF CHICAGO FOR THE LATEST FIRST MEASURABLE SNOWFALL OF THE SEASON, SOMETHING WE HAVE YET TO SEE. " DOOM

If it's not going to be whipping the white stuff might as well torch. Actually, has felt nice the last couple of years washing the car and grilling out on Christmas Day.

you yesterday: "Look at it like this. In order for most of us here to experience the Winters of Yore, we may have had to participate in World War 2?? Having the winters get warmer and more frustrating may be a small price to pay, if you know what I mean." zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

While I'm old enough to remember Chicago's 1967 blizzard(age 5) and the great winters of the late '70's(high school) I would say the Ground Hog day blizzard and the winter of 2014 are on par or may top them. The wind and combined snow lightning and thunder of GHD storm are the most extreme winter event I observed. And those winters of the late '70's were not 150 days of bitter cold/snow. They came early but were pretty much gone by mid February.

probably just get a 15 inch snow event at some point and end the season under 30".

until I see I see in depth pattern change discussions from folks I put credence in or posting of such from respected non board sourcesI would have no faith in any event showing on any model. Sadly, the type of event we are experiencing today normally leads to a pattern change instead will be well into the 60's by mid week. Although, what I thought could be a sunny and 70 degree day looks off the table now.

"FINALLY, DEFORMATION FORCING ALONG THE BACKSIDE OF THE LOW AS WELL AS FALLING TEMPERATURES WILL SUPPORT A BAND OF SNOW ARCING BACK ACROSS FAR EASTERN IOWA AND NORTHERN ILLINOIS TOWARD DAYBREAK SATURDAY. SINCE THE LOW WILL BE PULLING AWAY, THE BAND OF SNOW SHOULD HENCE LIFT NORTHWARD AS WELL. HOWEVER, AT LEAST A 2-3 HOUR WINDOW OF STEADY SNOW APPEARS PROBABLE ALONG THE IL/WI STATE LINE SATURDAY MORNING WITH A FEW TENTHS OF AN INCH OF ACCUMULATION AND LOCALLY SLIPPERY ROADS A DISTINCT THREAT (SNOW RATES APPEAR TO BE AT OR BELOW 0.25"/HR). " desperation thy name is LOT.

suspect early Pink Floyd before the drugs.

only those of us that followed JB back in his hey day understand the "rubber band theory" and "and if the flip to cold and snow comes around the solstice it's here to stay" or "vodka cold" and my favorite, "there will be storms and rumors of storms." The last usually used in a pattern much like were in where the country is flooded with warm pacific air and there is no chance in hell of it snowing in most locales. And yet, he could argue the storm this weekend with wind and rain verified. All this for $14.95 a month to keep a snow weenies hopes alive. And people call him, dumb.

going to be glorious.

I'll keep the discussion going only because there is not much else to talk about. My recollection of real memorable snowfalls prior to December 1 of each year is as follows: 1975. Thanksgiving weekend event measured perhaps 9" compacted to 3" of muck within hours. December 1, 1978. 13" Special year. Halloween 2019. Couple inches of wet snow, and more memorable for freezing the leaves on the trees. Not sure it snowed again until sometime in January. And than the tree snapper from Thanksgiving weekend 2018 which i still have tree damage from. Every other snowfall was nothing more than a stat padder as the saying goes. So while I understand the statistical anomaly and its impact on historical and future data it just does not send me over the edge on December 7. I'd much rather see a pattern shift to real winter when I think there is a better chance of it sticking. And based on some of the reporting from the more climatologically favored locales winter is establishing itself quite well. If I'm still spewing the same spin(shiat) on New Years than I'll walk to the edge of the cliff. Sidenote: haven't seen a flake today as of yet. 24 days to go...let the countdown begin.

I'm good with both. But I'm guessing we could get you stoked for 20" blizzard. Reality is I suspect it was your original "weenism" that led you to do this as a professional career. It certainly led me in that direction, until I realized it required math skills. So now, I'm a professional weather board reader. Note: I consider the term "weenism" in a positive light.

solid early December day on tap it appears. Slate gray sky, frosty temps in the mid-20's and some mood flakes fluttering from the sky. It's beginning to feel a bit like Christmas. Maybe, we can get a burst of flakes from the cold/dry air mass to whiten the ground and quell the stat mavens to get a .01 on the board. It'll happen when you least expect it.

Sorry I just don't get caught up in all the over the top panic in regards to the lack of snow and cold on December 5th. Today's and tomorrows highs in the 20's will be the coldest of the season thus far so typical December weather minus the snow to this point. Sounds like another decent warm up on the table mid month which I'm fine with. Thereafter, maybe we can get an abrupt change to winter. If not, I'll be dissapointed as I'd love to see some snow threats around the holidays for a change...it's been a few years.