TimB

Don’t know what to tell you. There’s always a chance we’ll get a variant that’s as deadly as MERS that the vaccine still protects against. We’ll see how quickly people line up then.

Within seconds, you got a “like” from someone whose only post on any of these forums in nearly a year was in this thread and makes the badly flawed assumption that wearing masks causes you to breathe in your own CO2. That should tell you everything you need to know about the wisdom of not getting a vaccine.

Like I said, when the virus starts spreading through the unvaccinated, then mutates into a variant that OUR vaccine doesn’t protect us against, the blood is on your hands. Hope your conscience can handle that. Mine couldn’t. What if it turns into something as deadly as SARS or MERS and millions of Americans die because people were afraid of a vaccine?

In response to both of these issues, I agree. These masks have been a part of our society for over a year. If people haven’t yet figured out how to wear them, or that they need to be washed, then they’ve either been living in a cave, just want to be oppositional and defiant like a toddler, are letting Darwinism do its work, or all of the above.

But if masks reduced covid deaths by even 1%, that would be 5,000 people who are alive today that wouldn’t have been if we didn’t require masks.

This seems to translate as “I’m okay with feeling like complete garbage for days to weeks as long as I don’t have to go to the hospital, and that’s better than taking the risk of getting a vaccine that has a mountain of evidence as testimony to its safety and effectiveness.” Quite frankly, if enough people refuse to get the vaccine and this thing continues spreading and morphs into something that the current vaccine doesn’t protect against, every “extremist” comment made in this thread about shunning unvaccinated people, no matter how harshly worded, will prove to have been 100% justified. (Granted that is a major hypothetical and not something that’s likely to happen, but it’s absolutely within the realm of possibility.)

I guess that’s the other thing, being a child of the ‘80s it’s easy to forget this is how people had to live for centuries and there was no other choice. Wife is from a northern tier county, she grew up without central air and I don’t think she realized how make or break it was for me when we bought a house. Even then it’s a push and pull of “how long can we go without turning on the air?” Last year I would have turned it on here (we didn’t): Or here (we didn’t): Ultimately we ended up turning it on for a couple days, then off for a week, then on again for good here:

I don’t know how anyone south of I-80 lives through July and August without central air.

2012 being the most recent (and maybe only one this century)? I wouldn’t count 2016, that one was rainy as I recall.

If a mask protects against the flu, as by your own admission it does, wouldn’t it stand to reason that it also protects against covid?

Great news! No one’s freedoms will be compromised because they can’t wake up and go to the gym at 2:30 am.

Two posts about weather in the last 2+ years, and a bunch of posts in this thread, almost all of which are babbling about “face diapers” being “bacteria farms” and recycling the same not very good point every time. Yes, it’s possible to get sick from wearing the same mask over and over and over again, but most of us don’t, and the number of people who have gotten sick from wearing a mask dwarfs by a massive margin the number of coronavirus cases that have been prevented by masks. There’s really no arguing that point. Sure, masks are nowhere near 100% effective, but they absolutely prevent much more illness than they cause.

Yes. I think people in LA probably take more precautions than people in the county where your parents live and I’m glad they’ve been lucky not to have an outbreak so far in their area but it’s just as likely there and would be just as devastating proportionally as in LA.

The thing about nature is, the virus will produce the same symptoms whether the patient lives in Los Angeles, CA or Pioneer, OH. Though I’ll bet Pioneer, OH has a higher population of vulnerable people in several categories (elderly, obese, smokers, etc.). So the virus would actually carry a higher risk of severe illness or death there.

I agree, but I also don’t know how much “screwing” is being done, as it would seem rare that someone would be in a country so poor as to not have access to the vaccine but still have the means to travel internationally.

How many people in these poor countries do we think don’t have access to the vaccine but have the means to travel internationally? I would think it’s low. But I’m not necessarily just talking about international travel here, I’m talking about concerts, sporting events, etc.

And they should be prosecuted just like anyone else with a fake ID.

Not taking the bait, lol. Opinions may vary on global warming, and I can live with that, but opinions don’t vary on whether or not a person is clever, funny, or original when they sarcastically comment “global warming” every time the NWS makes a social media post about cold temperatures. Disclaimer: I do not want to turn this into a debate on climate change, but I’ll go as far as to say that I have a tremendous degree of respect for other weather enthusiasts and am absolutely certain that you could point to evidence or a basis to support your position from a scientific perspective rather than just blindly parroting what politicians say, as could I to support my position. I do not believe this is always the case with the social media commenters who make these “jokes”.

I don’t know how much I favor it now (I think full capacity sporting events and concerts shouldn’t start until after more people have been vaccinated anyway), but I quite possibly favor it more after everyone has had the opportunity to get the vaccine, until the pandemic is under control and new cases are below a certain limit (I don’t know what that limit is.) Edit: yes, I know that sounds a little punitive.

Truth. But at the same time, doesn’t make a person “afraid”, nor are there many valid reasons to complain about it. (For those who complain, not saying you do.)

Do you ever drive or fly?

PA Gov. Tom Wolf would never sign such a bill if it landed on his desk, so I’m not too worried about that. With that being said, I would say the majority of people who refuse to get the vaccine have reasons that don’t fall into the categories you mentioned, but I’ll admit I haven’t looked at that data.

Yeah, and that is why Florida is held in such low regard by most Americans. It should be a business’s choice, no matter what state, not to serve unvaccinated people. Some of these people who are against refusing service to unvaccinated people are the same people saying bakeries should be allowed to refuse to bake a cake for a gay wedding.

How does making a personal choice to wear a mask make one “afraid”? It’s a decision.

Here’s another potential scenario for why people refusing to get the vaccine, and not having some form of vaccine passports in place, affects all of us: A bunch of people refuse to get the vaccine. The virus spreads rampant through the unvaccinated population when people are allowed to gather in large groups again. The virus mutates into a form that the vaccine doesn’t protect against, and we’re back at square one. So yes, it makes me judgmental when people refuse to get the vaccine, the majority of whom are refusing it for illogical reasons.