TimB

If any of these are extremist tactics, then what do you call pretty much all of the arguments against getting the vaccine?

You’re right. It probably doesn’t happen all that often anyway, they probably usually “have other plans.” Edit: I almost forgot to add, why do I need to justify the time I spend by myself? I post a lot on weather forums so I know that makes me unquestionably cool.

Looks like we could challenge Thursday’s record high of 82 from 1875. You know what else happened in April 1875? A high of 28 and a low of 16 on the 17th, then a high of 25 and a low of 14 on the 18th, the two coldest April days in Pittsburgh’s history. There seem to be rumblings of a variation of that pattern shift (albeit much less extreme) in the models lately. Unless you live in GFS fantasy land, where several inches of snow fall in that time frame.

Are you vaccinated? Are they vaccinated? If not, that shows what kind of friend you are, willing to risk giving your friends a deadly virus because you won’t get vaccinated.

I’m not necessarily saying you don’t have a lick of common sense. I believe I was addressing the “snow shovel in Barbados” guy, who to me doesn’t appear to have a lick of common sense, and you jumped in. And I’ll bet his source isn’t the WHO.

My point here is that no one with a lick of intellect or common sense can simultaneously believe that the virus can pass unobstructed through the mask, yet the mask could significantly restrict your oxygen flow. That’s exactly why I didn’t want to dignify the anti-mask troll’s comment with a response. Because you seized on one part of my response and you erroneously believe it nullifies my point.

So... and hear me out on this one... if it prevents SOME O2 molecules from coming through, it stands to reason that it would prevent even more covid particles, which are much larger than O2 molecules, from coming through. Either way this is checkmate.

Agreed. It’s no coincidence that nearly all of the people in this thread that were able to accomplish the not-so-easy task of getting a degree in meteorology, happen to be more or less on the same side of these issues.

I shouldn’t dignify this complete and total drivel with a response, but here goes. Masks have been proven to be effective at slowing the spread of this and other viruses. No, they’re not 100% effective, and maybe not even close to 100% effective. To put this into a weather enthusiast perspective (assuming you’re actually a weather enthusiast and not just an anti-mask troll, and I’d say the jury is still out on that one, at least in my mind), tornado warnings sadly aren’t 100% effective at preventing injuries or deaths, so should the NWS stop issuing them? I guess they’re as useless as a snow shovel in Barbados, in your mind. And restricting your oxygen flow? Where on God’s green earth did you hear such a thing that you could babble about on an internet weather forum? The ignorance of such a statement is beyond belief. You mean to tell me that covid particles can pass through a mask like a wide open door but when it comes to (MUCH SMALLER) O2 molecules, it turns into the Ever Given in the Suez Canal? Good lord!

Don’t know what to tell you. There’s always a chance we’ll get a variant that’s as deadly as MERS that the vaccine still protects against. We’ll see how quickly people line up then.

Within seconds, you got a “like” from someone whose only post on any of these forums in nearly a year was in this thread and makes the badly flawed assumption that wearing masks causes you to breathe in your own CO2. That should tell you everything you need to know about the wisdom of not getting a vaccine.

Like I said, when the virus starts spreading through the unvaccinated, then mutates into a variant that OUR vaccine doesn’t protect us against, the blood is on your hands. Hope your conscience can handle that. Mine couldn’t. What if it turns into something as deadly as SARS or MERS and millions of Americans die because people were afraid of a vaccine?

In response to both of these issues, I agree. These masks have been a part of our society for over a year. If people haven’t yet figured out how to wear them, or that they need to be washed, then they’ve either been living in a cave, just want to be oppositional and defiant like a toddler, are letting Darwinism do its work, or all of the above.

But if masks reduced covid deaths by even 1%, that would be 5,000 people who are alive today that wouldn’t have been if we didn’t require masks.

This seems to translate as “I’m okay with feeling like complete garbage for days to weeks as long as I don’t have to go to the hospital, and that’s better than taking the risk of getting a vaccine that has a mountain of evidence as testimony to its safety and effectiveness.” Quite frankly, if enough people refuse to get the vaccine and this thing continues spreading and morphs into something that the current vaccine doesn’t protect against, every “extremist” comment made in this thread about shunning unvaccinated people, no matter how harshly worded, will prove to have been 100% justified. (Granted that is a major hypothetical and not something that’s likely to happen, but it’s absolutely within the realm of possibility.)

I guess that’s the other thing, being a child of the ‘80s it’s easy to forget this is how people had to live for centuries and there was no other choice. Wife is from a northern tier county, she grew up without central air and I don’t think she realized how make or break it was for me when we bought a house. Even then it’s a push and pull of “how long can we go without turning on the air?” Last year I would have turned it on here (we didn’t): Or here (we didn’t): Ultimately we ended up turning it on for a couple days, then off for a week, then on again for good here:

I don’t know how anyone south of I-80 lives through July and August without central air.

2012 being the most recent (and maybe only one this century)? I wouldn’t count 2016, that one was rainy as I recall.

If a mask protects against the flu, as by your own admission it does, wouldn’t it stand to reason that it also protects against covid?

Great news! No one’s freedoms will be compromised because they can’t wake up and go to the gym at 2:30 am.

Two posts about weather in the last 2+ years, and a bunch of posts in this thread, almost all of which are babbling about “face diapers” being “bacteria farms” and recycling the same not very good point every time. Yes, it’s possible to get sick from wearing the same mask over and over and over again, but most of us don’t, and the number of people who have gotten sick from wearing a mask dwarfs by a massive margin the number of coronavirus cases that have been prevented by masks. There’s really no arguing that point. Sure, masks are nowhere near 100% effective, but they absolutely prevent much more illness than they cause.

Yes. I think people in LA probably take more precautions than people in the county where your parents live and I’m glad they’ve been lucky not to have an outbreak so far in their area but it’s just as likely there and would be just as devastating proportionally as in LA.

The thing about nature is, the virus will produce the same symptoms whether the patient lives in Los Angeles, CA or Pioneer, OH. Though I’ll bet Pioneer, OH has a higher population of vulnerable people in several categories (elderly, obese, smokers, etc.). So the virus would actually carry a higher risk of severe illness or death there.

I agree, but I also don’t know how much “screwing” is being done, as it would seem rare that someone would be in a country so poor as to not have access to the vaccine but still have the means to travel internationally.

How many people in these poor countries do we think don’t have access to the vaccine but have the means to travel internationally? I would think it’s low. But I’m not necessarily just talking about international travel here, I’m talking about concerts, sporting events, etc.