LibertyBell

Penn Forest Township near Bear Creek and Lake Harmony, around the same elevation as you!

Thanks Don, I wonder how large the list would be if we just went from 1980 onwards.

It would be amazing if we could have a reference base for all the different major storms accompanied by index values when those events occured.

Did any of the other nice events in 95-96 occur under similar circumstances?

Hey Don, I wanted to see how many of the smaller less well predicted storms of the 80s and 90s I could remember...could you possibly increase the list down to the 6"+ storms or even 4"+ and one where such amounts were reached or exceeded at any of the local airports too? Thanks!

If anything the milder winters may be aiding bigger snowfalls as warmer means more humid also.

The greatest December snowstorm I had seen up to that point.

MUCH better than January finishing -6 with zero snow threats...which was often the case during the 80s.

"older" people eh lol

Thanks Chris....any data on the accuracy numbers before and after the change?

Canonical anything no longer exists thanks to the new patterns setting up thanks to human induced climate change. The good thing is we'll be heating up the planet through at least 2050! Maybe all the added plastic is having an effect too

Noticed the other years mentioned were 2014 and 2015.....also winters where we had big turnarounds between December and January.

Expecting 3-6 here in the Poconos at 2000 ft.

Yep, this is what I've been saying. Not only is the whole causal connection an illusion so is the whole W->E illusion.

exhibit A is January in the 1980s, lots of Arctic air and very little snow. I like milder Januarys and snow a lot better.

you dont need Arctic cold for snow....I guess some of us drank too much to remember the last decade or so.

Maybe they should keep running it every 24 hrs....running a model every 6 hours seems to impair its usefulness. Happy New Year, Chris!

whats with all this rain, Don? It seems to be like pulling teeth to get a couple of sunny days around here. Happy New Year!

oh sure flakes, I saw you talking about disruptions to football games, I figured you were talking about an MECS lol.

if it's going to rain, why can't we get a warm rain?

I wouldn't stress out over it, there's more of a chance of getting hit by lightning from that storm than getting snow to the coast.

And that was a nice long duration storm! What was the reason NYC couldn't break their late season curse of not getting 10" events after February? That has been going on since 1993. Is it because the urban heat island makes it much more difficult to get late season big events because of the much higher sun angle? They weirdly didn't get much in April 1996 either while JFK had 5".

I so clearly remember this- I think the first time I realized its importance was before the storm in April 1996. If you remember Chris, we had an intense night of radiational cooling here on Long Island the night before the big storm and clouds started moving in just at daybreak, which was ideal in limiting the warmth of the sun while maximizing the radiational cooling that occured the night before the storm. I noticed that the storm was snow right from the outset here on the south shore of Nassau County with temps in the mid 30s and the rain/snow line stayed well south of us through the entire event and as the snow got heavier around 4 PM in the afternoon the skies got darker and the temps started to drop and the snow even started to stick to the roads before the sun set.

How long before we see a sub 900mb monster "Cat 5" low in the Arctic regions?

I'd be extremely cautious in calling Canada progressive. I'm sure you know about Alberta's dirty tar sands projects that are polluting wildlife areas and they are scaling up production of dirty fossil fuels (forecast to double within the 10 years), even with all the widespread protests by the native american communities as well as environmental activists. They could keep that going for 400 years if they were to completely take all the carbon out of the ground there. So let me ask you this-- why should the Trudeau administration be viewed as anything other than a lying hypocrisy that needs to be voted out when they are scaling up production of dirty fossil fuels from the Tar Sands? Why are they going backwards when we should all be going forwards and how should we as a global community be punishing them to de-incentivize this kind of bad behavior? We should be punishing ALL nations that do bad behavior like this that has global implications.