LibertyBell

there is no safe side- I guess people dont care that it's ruining their health too. Darwinism always wins....

this "winter" looks like it's going to go down in the record books, along with 72-73, 89-90, 97-98, 01-02, 11-12, as among the worst of all time. I wonder if there's a way to calculate the worst winters overall across the entire country, this one would sure be among the top ten there also.

the weirdest thing I've seen this season was that forest fire I saw near I-80, I had seen smoke in the same area back in August 1995, but this was the first time I've ever seen an actual forest fire. Crazy to see that in February! I heard that San Fran hasn't seen any measurable rain in February for the first time, so they must be worried about forest fires on the west coast too.

at this rate I wouldn't be surprised if I saw tumbleweed barricading my front door like that guy in WA had! I was driving on I-80 near the Delaware Water Gap on Monday and I saw a forest fire just ahead of me and above me, first time I've ever seen that- let alone in February! It was named the Rock Face Fire and it was burning 70 acres last I heard, and it was on Mt Tammany on the Jersey side.

PA weather book lists that winter as dropping 120 inches in Stroudsburg!

It's annoying, I wish North America was wider, like Eurasia is, so we wouldn't have any influence from the Pacific.

Ouch, our teens winters were really snowy and cold, especially 1916-17 and 1917-18, even during la ninas!

I wonder if the storms are the cause or the effect?

I started going there in 1986 it would be interesting to see what's been going on there since then. I dont think Scranton is representative of the area since it's in a valley and further away from it than Allentown is. Hazelton is closer than either but I dont think they measure there? But since Scranton is the only other official measuring location in the area, do you have any data for them of under 10" snowfall seasons and where they are at so far this season? Thanks, Don!

Why couldn't they make two models, one on each core? Well, in the current environment of science and education cuts, that might be too much to expect.

1965-66 snowfall total for Norfolk, VA was crazy high (over 40"!) compared to NYC! The 80s were similar in that areas south of us got more snow than we did. Our Januarys were dry and cold back then. We've been catching up a lot the last couple of decades lol.

1966-67 had an exceptionally snowy Christmas too! The one winter that doesn't seem to fit anywhere is 2014-15. It really was a great winter (and historic for Boston), even though we didn't get the big hit in January. But we had a historically cold February and lots of snow and that lasted into March. I would compare that to 1933-34 except we didn't go below zero. Maybe 2004-05 is a better comparison for it? Looking at some of our other historic winters.... 2002-03 was similar to 1977-78....although one was a moderate nino and the other was a weak one, 1977-78 was a second year weak nino which made it more like a moderate.

looks like our wonderfully snowy 2000s and 2010s winters will migrate there .....

It does remind me of the late 80s and early 90s.... any ideas on whats causing this record setting +AO pattern?

well technically winter starts in the fourth week of December so we have been warm pretty much all winter

too bad we'll break that this week useless cold....

I remember crocuses came out here in February in 2002 too!

any idea on whats causing the AO to be so strong?

Is this more like 1988-89 or 1989-90 or 90-91? Looks like we're reliving the "greatest hits" from the late 80s and early 90s!

we didn't even have a 30 inch seasonal snowfall year between 1978-79 and 1992-93!

Ouch, thats a lot of years (notice how many of them are in the 80s lol, no wonder we had no snow days!) What does JFK have so far this season? Do you have a list for MPO or Mt Pocono too Don? I dont think they had any below 10" but I want to see if they had any in the 10-15 inch range, because I remember it was pretty snowless around there back in the 80s when I used to go there during the winter. And where does MPO rank this year? Thanks!

Don how does Israel get affected by the AO so far south?

the sunless part really pisses me off, I hope we dont get that for the spring and summer.

So >40 inches is just as likely as 10-19.9 inches..... being a child of the 80s I find that so difficult, because we never had 40 (or even 30) inches of seasonal snowfall in that entire decade. Actually from 1978-79 through 1992-93!

both 1931-32 and 1989-90 might be useful analogs though, they both had very hot summers the year after (1933 and 1991).... and if the 11 year pattern holds so will 2021!