LibertyBell

wtf....is that the furthest north a 50C (rounding up) or 120+ temp has ever occurred anywhere on the planet?

I dont like some of these department picks either, Vilsack being one of them. The older generation is holding on for dear life.

Looks like the heat is still going to stay just north of here....what are the chances of NYC OR JFK hitting 100 in this stretch after the 4th?

Don did any location right at the coast hit 100? I was thinking they might....

Maybe some place in Canada actually hit 120?!

wow this is a lot of information....I just want six basic pieces of data.... 1) what was the highest temp in Seattle and the highest temp in WA as a whole that was recorded 2) what was the highest temp in Portland and the highest temp in OR as a whole that was recorded 3) what is the new all time record high for the nation of Canada 4) as far as the US is concerned, what was the highest temp recorded during this entire heatwave and where was it (both including and not including Death Valley) 5) did any location right at the coast hit 100 6) as to any of the above, could any of these be exceeded tomorrow? so far what I have is 108 at Seattle, 116 at Portland, 118 as the highest temps recorded in WA, OR and Canada and 128 at Death Valley and 123 at Palm Springs?

Don, do you think this kind of extreme heat will move the needle towards something more aggressive than the Paris Climate Treaty? I would hope so- it's definitely not enough. I remember when we discussed how much better it was in the 70s and 80s, but now I doubt thats true, I just saw the PBS documentary on how Agent Orange and Dioxin were being sprayed in Oregon in the 70s and 80s and both Dow Chemical and our own EPA were covering up its toxicity and the resulting birth defects and high rate of miscarriages there. The residents were even being threatened for speaking up about it and four children were killed when a fire was set (possibly by people hired by Dow or the timber company that sprayed those toxic chemicals to clear the brush.) Dow and others like Monsanto/Bayer later moved on to spray other toxic chemicals or concoctions that mixed different chemicals that still result in death of wildlife or mutations that affect both humans and other animals as well as higher rates of cancer. A county in Oregon got it banned in 2017 but a higher court overturned that in 2019 saying the county couldn't go against the state. I'm very skeptical of proper reform until the entire system is overturned.....the chemical industry is just as bad as the fossil fuel industry and we need changes to our political system and economic system on a very fundamental level to see any longlasting reforms.

They'll be wound down slowly, it's not like it's going to happen overnight. I would give it 30 years to be completely transitioned by 2050. With about a 50% cut by 2030. Nuclear energy, specifically Thorium reactors, should also be involved. https://www.pbs.org/independentlens/documentaries/the-people-vs-agent-orange/ Besides Oregon, it’s also been found in New Jersey (Newark-Passaic River), Washington, Idaho, Montana, Northern California and several nations (Australia, Philippines, Indonesia, many others, with the same birth defects, higher cancer rates, etc. They are dumping millions of barrels of it into the ocean, that’s not really a clean up! It's not just the fossil fuel industry thats the problem, the chemical industry is just as bad. I dont know if you watch PBS much but I saw a very interesting documentary tonight on there, Independent Film : The People vs Agent Orange season 15 episode 22 and it's extremely sad that children of Vietnam Vets have birth defects from it and they get no benefits from the government! Not to mention children still being born in Vietnam and Laos who have some of the worst birth defects I've ever seen (being born with enlarged pancreas, bulging eyes, parts of their brains missing, limbs facing backwards, webbed fingers and toes, etc.) it's awful! The US Govt was spraying there between 1962-1971 and was involved with burning thousands of pages of documents in 1971 when there was a large outcry and the spraying ended, but some of it was saved by whistleblowing scientists working at the Air Force and released later. This was the largest chemical war, not WW1, and based on what happened, this was definitely a war crime, with over 500 adults and millions of children affected by horrible birth defects and/or cancer. All they got for it was a $180 million settlement in a class action by Vets (but no benefits for their children who were born with birth defects because of their Vet dads' damaged sperm- very similar to the awful birth defects suffered in Vietnam and Laos) and the companies involved moved on with their dioxin laced 2-4,D concoction and later added glyphosate and atrazine to their toxic mix in their Oregon spraying (they stopped 2,4,5-T spraying since that had the highest concentrations of dioxin but it wasn't enough). The rest of it was about how it was still being sprayed in Oregon in the 70s and 80s and how there was a 50% miscarriage rate in Five Rivers, a town in Lincoln County, by a timber company to clear the brush. There were many lawsuits, the residents of the town even got threatened (either by the timber company, or Dow Chemical, they couldn't identify who the people were, just that they wore suits and followed them around and visited them and told them they need to keep an eye on their children!) that threat was later fulfilled when one of the houses there was burned down and 4 children died.....it was awful! They showed the grave shared by the four children with the death of all four is listed as December 30th, 1977. The state called it arson, but also an "accident" and the investigation was closed. They finally stopped spraying when the whole state turned against them but have started using a different toxic concoction there that includes the different pesticides all combined together, which the people who sprayed are now reporting blisters in their throat and on their tongue, dead ducks in rivers and lakes, frogs with reversed limbs, a high rate of miscarriages (reported as involuntary "abortions") and children with frequent diarrhea and children born with birth defects like webbed feet and incomplete limbs or fingers/toes. Similar to what happened in Vietnam and Laos. Toxicity of dioxin is listed as similar to plutonium, and its half life is 2 billion years. This stuff can be so sad and make one angry at the same time. Dow and Monsanto knew all about how toxic the chemicals they were spraying were according to their own internal documents, but to the public they were saying that they were less toxic than aspirin The EPA was complicit in the cover up as they tried to destroy the internal documents pertaining to the chemicals but 200,000 pages of it had to be released because of a freedom of information act request and all of that was eventually uploaded by the people in the town to Poison Papers. In addition to that the EPA was testing town residents for toxins and collecting dead and mutated animals, but the test samples mysteriously disappeared. Yeah right. Seeing those children with those awful birth defects and mothers with cancer in multiple organs and those companies just waiting for them to die so they wouldn't be sued was about as awful as it could ever get. In 2017 Lincoln County got a court order to suspend spraying but in 2019 the state court of appeals overturned it saying that a county couldn't do something that went against what the state wanted to do, so the fight continues. The Vietnam case had its own lawsuit in France thats been going on for 7 years, but the chemical companies involved are trying to slow things down, they think that if all the people involved in it die from cancer and whatever else they got from the chemicals, then the lawsuit will go away. One of the plaintiffs in the lawsuit made a great point, if corporations can be given declared "people" by the Supreme Court then they should have to suffer the same penalties as people do when they commit crimes, and for mass murder, it should be the death penalty. They knew it was toxic, the papers proved they knew it going back to the 60s, and instead of stopping the spraying, they chose to cover it up. As did their buddies at the EPA.

I remember in July 1993 on a Saturday when JFK was at 88 at 8 am and 92 at 9 am (we hit 90 at around 8:30 am)....what a historic amazing day that was, our high was 102. It was the first day I put in my a/c

I dont regard high min temps as "hot"- most of my most memorable heatwaves had high temps of 100 or above like 1991, 1993, 1995, 1999, 2010 and 2011.

stronger war may mean more rainfall in the end

a westerly flow with low humidity is better

you're coming around to my point of view also: 2020 was a stupid waste

will the heat post july 8th be as hot as the current bout?

long live 1993! wow 1977 was number 1- short hot summer but special in how intense the heat was. special to see 1953 a close third despite how late in the season that happened and being the longest heatwave on record do you have a similar list for JFK? I'd expect either 1966 or 2010 to be number 1 there

sort of like arctic air masses that take long trajectories before they get here

and LOL at politicians being better "thinkers" than scientists, these "planners" of yours wouldn't know science if it smacked them in the face, all they know is how to bend over to take bribes from the fossil fuel cartels. Your take is way out of date, most people know much better by now than to fall for these dark money pandering politicians that spread the kind of propaganda you wasted your time typing out. and yes the generation which actually matters does want these changes, it's only you archaic boomers holding on to the past who dont.

thank goodness we've banned dangerous fracking in NY and NJ and eastern PA after a year long scientific study and we've also banned new pipelines, looks like the unintelligent conservative cult out west is digging their own graves

this piece of crap you just wrote is as much propaganda as much as anything the Nazis ever did, fortunately people who know better will correct you on all these fake points

at this point the economy needs to be destroyed when things are destroyed they can be built from the ground up all new cars must be electric and that will be the case in a few years people dont want to work in the dirty fossil fuel cartels anymore, its less than a 20% job desirability rate- green energy pays far higher and is the highest growing job sector. Not only that the fossil fuel cartels said that the pandemic destroyed them and they reached peak oil in 2019 and see only declines from here on.....see the pandemic does good things, nature corrects human stupidity. and lol at high paying fossil fuel jobs, fossil fuel companies are laying off workers left and right they ditch their workers and pay their execs...where did you find this fantasy of that dirty cartel treating its workers well? they are ditching them because they see the writing on the wall, their best days are behind them and the workers are the first to get cut you want to talk about impacting the poor- dirty fossil fuels kill more poor people than anything else does and shorten longevity more than anything else end fossil subsidies forever

isnt that right at the water? so that would be like JFK hitting 100?

whats keeping it away?

Seattle dewpoint will be near 70 tomorrow.

what was that date we reached 104 in 2011?

exactly my point. I wonder if all that arctic hot air that has been talked about for years is actually causing northern regions to be hotter than we are.