LibertyBell

I can't wait until AI is running the entire planet and silly human politics no longer exists.

I'd love to see OES on the south shore of LI, it's only happened a few times in my life. We had 1.5" on 2/6/2010.

If by mini you mean less than 25% of that, then sure

this is awesome, I wish we had these back in the 80s when we had 1-3 inches of snow without any winds

why is NJ so damn long? Sometimes I wish Long Island was east of Atlantic City lol, especially with storms like this.

I'm very close to the Brown 80% area, maybe just a few miles northeast of there lol, so let's say, 78% zone? I guess 2" is a good number for me also.

If El Nino's are supposed to be mild in December, what differentiates the exceptions like 2002-03 and 2009-10 which were quite wintry in December? Is it just about the Atlantic side blocking? If so, why do we consider el nino more important? We can eliminate the influence of el nino (outside of the stronger subtropical jet) and solely focus on Atlantic side blocking as the major component in colder weather, at least for us.

Lol and here the media is (specifically Lee Goldberg) saying we return to winter and cold weather by early February. Are we looking at sunny and mild? That's not bad at all-- ABSOLUTELY ANYTHING IS BETTER THAN RAIN!

But thats happening anyway and the resulting sea level rise will be horrific I like the idea of creating a pump to constantly mix up the water, but the environmental issues (effect on sea life) that would cause probably wouldn't be good either.

I wouldn't mind a January like 2009 had. No major snow events but the entire month was cold, with minor 1-2 inch events once or twice a week the entire month and so cold that the snow cover lasted for most of the month too.

any reports from the Poconos, Walt?

It'll be interesting to see if 2024 hits that +1.5C mark. Some are saying we aren't going back under it and others are saying next year's la nina will get us down, but only just barely, to +1.4C. Either way, we're in a new era now.

A double edged sword because algae blooms can be toxic also (see red tide). And fertilizers are also draining into the waterways resulting in more of these toxic algae blooms and causing die offs (and are also toxic to us and our pets.)

I don't know what his reasoning is, but Lee Goldberg has the mix line all the way up to southern Monmouth County. He said the best snowfall will be in inland Monmouth and Ocean counties about 5-10 miles away from the ocean as well as Middlesex County. He said within a mile or two of the ocean in those counties may only see 1-2 inches of snow while 5-10 miles inland of there could see up to 6 inches of snow.

Is there a snowfall measuring station in Mt Sinai? I remember there was at one time, it would be interesting to see what its long term snowfall average is.

Greenskeeper has about the same odds of buying an NFL franchise lol

that works lol.

You're a bright guy, I'm sure you have some ideas on how to pump the heat out of the oceans, even if we have to spend trillions of dollars to do it, in the long term, it would be worth it.

Theoretically there should be a way to pump the heat out of the oceans.

Nah heat is more fun

your snowfall maps + elevation and geographical location on the north shore, colder temperatures and duration of snowcover for those locations.

we all will. even in a good winter, seeing a few inches of snow fall during the day is an experience to treasure. I even like it when the sun comes out afterwards, it makes the snow sparkle like diamonds.

And even moreso, no one but no one wants more rain. If it's going to be in the 40s and 50s it should be sunny and clear and no rain for at least a month. Get the rainy, misty, foggy crap out of here, once and for all!

It's annoying that an ocean more than 3000 miles away has this much of an effect on our weather. It's not like the Atlantic has this kind of effect on Asian weather =\

I'll also add there are important things to discuss about humankind's impact to the environment besides climate change-- overhunting and overfishing as well as pollution and usage of pesticides not only adversely impact the environment, but our health too. We were discussing the impact of overfishing in our subforum earlier https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collapse_of_the_Atlantic_northwest_cod_fishery https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_End_of_the_Line_(book) Clover, a former environment editor of the Daily Telegraph and now a columnist on the Sunday Times, describes how modern fishing is destroying ocean ecosystems. He concludes that current worldwide fish consumption is unsustainable.[2] The book provides details about overfishing in many of the world's critical ocean habitats, such as the New England fishing grounds, west African coastlines, the European North Atlantic fishing grounds, and the ocean around Japan.[3] The book concludes with suggestions on how the nations of the world could engage in sustainable ocean fishing.[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Environmental_impact_of_fishing The journal Science published a four-year study in November 2006, which predicted that, at prevailing trends, the world would run out of wild-caught seafood in 2048. The scientists stated that the decline was a result of overfishing, pollution and other environmental factors that were reducing the population of fisheries at the same time as their ecosystems were being annihilated. Many countries, such as Tonga, the United States, Australia and Bahamas, and international management bodies have taken steps to appropriately manage marine resources.[6][7] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Marine_Foundation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overfishing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Pauly Through the 1990s, Pauly’s work centered on the effects of overfishing. The author of several books and more than 500 scientific papers, Pauly is a prolific writer and communicator. He developed the concept of shifting baselines in 1995 and authored the seminal paper, Fishing down marine food webs, in 1998.[7] For working to protect the environment, he earned a place in the "Scientific American 50" in 2003, the same year The New York Times labeled him an "iconoclast". Pauly won the International Cosmos Prize in 2005, the Volvo Environment Prize in 2006, the Excellence in Ecology Prize and Ted Danson Ocean Hero Award in 2007, the Ramon Margalef Prize in Ecology and Environmental Sciences in 2008,[8] and the Nierenberg Prize for Science in the Public Interest from the Scripps Institution of Oceanography in 2012. In 2015, Pauly received the Peter Benchley Ocean Award for Excellence in Science.[9] In 2016, he was honored in Paris with the Albert Ier Grand Medal in the Science category.[10] In 2017, he received, together with Dirk Zeller as part of the Sea Around Us leading team, the Ocean Award in the Science category.[11] Also in 2017 and specifically on French National Day, he was named Chevalier de la Légion D’Honneur.[12] Pauly has written several books, including Darwin's Fishes[13] (Cambridge University Press), Five Easy Pieces: How Fishing Impacts Marine Ecosystems (Island Press) and Gasping Fish and Panting Squids: Oxygen, Temperature and the Growth of Water-Breathing Animals. Views[edit] To date, he frequently expresses opinions about public policy. Specifically, he argues that governments should abolish subsidies to fishing fleets[14] and establish marine reserves. He is a member of the Board of Oceana. In a 2009 article written for The New Republic, Pauly compares today's fisheries to a global Ponzi scheme.[15] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shifting_baseline https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fishing_down_the_food_web