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Extended summer stormlover74 future snow hole banter thread 23
LibertyBell replied to BxEngine's topic in New York City Metro
Plus heat has great historical value for us number geeks, there's just an amazing feeling of accomplishment when you hit 100 degrees -
didn't it have an upgrade last year?
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I looked up NYC snowfall totals they were 50+ both seasons, the main differences were that although February was snowy in 2015 it was nearly historic in 2014, and March was much snowier in 2015, while we got zero snow in March 2014, but I have a lot better memories of 14-15 because it was backloaded.... nearly 20 inches of snow in March 2015 made it my snowiest March ever. https://www.weather.gov/media/okx/Climate/CentralPark/monthlyseasonalsnowfall.pdf
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You didn't get a lot in January 2015 either did you? We had about a foot (busted on the 3 foot call though lol-- that came the following January.)
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really? I thought you'd have more in 14-15 because you're in SNE and SNE was a 3 month party in 2014-15 lol Look how much Boston got lol
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for the coast though we had a lot less because a lot of those big storms mixed here. I liked 2014-15 more, because it was much colder and more long lasting snowpack. 2013-14 and 2014-15 back to back was almost like 2009-10 and 2010-11 back to back.
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13-14 had too many mixing storms.... 14-15 could have done it because it was colder but the winter started too late, but even so, that ended up being Boston's big winter.
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Toms River was near the jackpot for most of the snowstorms that winter, not just the early February one, but one in January too.
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I don't know if you had it in your list, but would you say 1968-69 is a possible analog (based on how cold it's been in Seattle and how rare that is in an el nino, that is one of the few seasons that had that like this one does-- and this el nino is not behaving like a super or even strong el nino.)
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I mean 50s and 60s would be mild, but a "furnace" would require temperatures of 70+ in the northeast, which happens maybe once a decade in DJF winter. Would you say we are looking at a once a decade event?
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and BNL (NWS office) had 90.9 inches, if I remember correctly? I think NYC-Long Island are capable of getting 100 inches in the perfect pattern that lasts most of the season; in the historical record there are a couple of winters in the civil war or pre civil war era where both New York City and Philadelphia received 100 inches of snow and there was constant snowcover from Thanksgiving to St Patrick's Day.
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Did you see Tony's historical record for today: looks on this day in 1989 we had an icy storm: 1989 - A winter storm spread snow and sleet and freezing rain from the Middle Mississippi Valley to the northeastern U.S. Freezing rain in West Virginia caused fifteen traffic accidents in just a few minutes west of Charleston. Tennessee was deluged with up to 7.5 inches of rain. Two inches of rain near Clarksville TN left water in the streets as high as car doors.
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JFK had 30"+ in Jan 2016, so that might be the reason. JFK is part of New York City ;-)
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This happened in the 80s a lot, look up Vet Day 1987 for how both DC and BOS can get a ton of snow while we are the hole in the middle of the doughnut lol.
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But in those maps, either c or d would be good for us, so based on those numbers 38.9% of the time we should have normal to below normal temperatures, while 47.0% of the time we have normal to above normal temperatures (what happened to what's left over-- that doesn't add up to 100% lol.)
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We can't have perfectionist dreams. The fact is that with where the Pacific is in its decadal oscillation we will have a semipermanent trough in that area, so we might as well look for winters that featured both a snowy west and east coast, because that's going to be our best hope probably for the next few winters.
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1968-69 was the only other one with Arctic cold in Seattle in an el nino, maybe that means something for snow in February for us this year lol. 1968-69 is proof that you can have both a snowy NW and snow NE in the same season! 1966-67 is an even better example of that! I think we should get used to this, as I don't believe we are going to be getting a big west coast ridge anytime soon, so might as well look for ways to have both a snowy west and east coast.
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DC got clocked that month
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wow was that the record snowiest winter in south NJ? the only other time I've seen snowfall of 90+ inches at our latitude at the coast was in 1995-96 when parts of Suffolk County reported between 90-96 inches of snow!
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it wasn't just near LGA, I live near JFK and the winds were rocking last night even after midnight!
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wow back in the days when the AO and NAO both used to be extremely negative.
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Walt, will the Poconos be done with the snow squalls by noon time?
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a foot of snow from Brooklyn on east.
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The way things are looking we may have our coldest weather of the entire winter overall this week.
