I do! I realize that my innate tendency to jump way ahead to the next season and speculate doesn't mesh well here, but ah c'mon man it doesn't hurt. It's just speculation. And El Niño is currently starting to show signs of it's presence, so that part isn't about models not getting it right--as it does appear to be happening now, and it could influence THIS winter. Besides...who wouldn't wwant to have another swing at El Niño lined up for next year while we see what this one is gonna do? (I like a good back-up plan myself )