Exactly. Air mass is very marginal at the surface. Down this way precip will have to fall at a good clip to cool the column. That happens to an extent on the 12z Euro, but much more so to our NE.
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Here is temp and height data from the EURO. Goes out 10 days and includes 150 mb level.
https://www.geo.fu-berlin.de/en/met/ag/strat/produkte/winterdiagnostics/
That's my general takeaway yes. I was looking for some updated QBO data but this would seem to correlate with whats happening at 10-30 mb level, re- weaker zonal wind propagating downward.
This is pretty interesting.
The tercile-category anomaly of the lower-stratospheric polar vortex, defined by the 100 hPa 60°N zonal-mean zonal wind, has been used as a diagnostic for the behaviour in the ‘coupling layer’ between the stratosphere and troposphere.
https://simonleewx.com/polar-vortex-forecasts/
This has always looked like a bit of a longshot. I was never really enamoured with the setup esp given it's early Dec, but certainly worth tracking.
What else we gunna do?
6z GFS develops a nice batch of precip with the upper low, but pretty toasty at the surface so its rain. The air mass is marginal at best even in the wake of the coastal. Ofc sometimes magic can happen under an upper low if its strong enough and we get intense precip rates. Not sure it's happening with this one. Climo and really no cold air is tough to overcome.
Agree with this. I probably misinterpreted your post. I thought you were suggesting a 50-50 vortex (transient or otherwise) was more important than having a -AO and or -NAO. A -NAO/50-50 combo is absolutely the ULTIMATE block imo to force a favorable storm track for MA snow events.
Yeah that's my point- vortices rotating through the 50-50 region absent a NA block are thread the needle deals. I will take that over having higher heights in that region every time though for sure. But no way in hell I believe that is the ultimate/ better or equivalent to having a sustained -AO/NAO.
A 50-50 low really goes hand in hand with a -NAO though. Without the block, a vortex in the 50-50 region is mostly a transient feature, which is ok, but not the same as having a low trapped under a legit blocking ridge in the NA.
Yeah I miss a good clipper. They can be fun, are pretty simple, but can be a challenge to get one to track to our south. Been few and far between in recent winters. If this winter ends up being ENSO neutral and EPO ridge dominant we could see a legit clipper or 2 track underneath with some decent coastal enhancement.