40/70 Benchmark

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Get the EURO suite to look like that and I'll grab the laptop.

GEFS looks like they will end up similarly, but slighly more progressive.

I have no complaints about the ridge on this GFS suite.

Yup...just being negative.

That is actually pretty ominous mean at hr 135....

How hygenic

GEFS def. seem more intense with the s stream for whatever that is worth.

First we need to figure out if anyone knows. There is a chance they do, but its also possible no one does....

GFS has a much greater poleward extension of the PNA ridge....good luck getting a great PNA ridge this season. Its sabotaged everything all year.

Each day closer to spring is a positive step.

It wasn't mild by 1991-2020 modern climo, but I think by all past climo it was. Anyway, we go by latest climo period, so it was cold.

It really wasn't that cold, though....just relative to what we've become accustomed to....a la 1991-2020 climo. It was consistently moderately cold.

MJO's tongue is already hanging out of his cruiser.

Fair enough....historic benchmark snowstorm patterns, rather. I agree with you on the lack of smaller events....even up here, we have noted the dearth of clippers, etc. That plays into the "increased feast" or famine aspect. Not sure I agree that we won't see another historic stretch like that agian, though....especially considering the increased propensity for some of these patterns to get "stuck".

We salute

I need a good December...its been so long. I had the big event in 2019, but like 19" of snow were gone inside of a week. I got like a half inch this past 12/21 event.

They have both sucked, no doubt.

December has been worse.

Well, most people discus ENSO within the context of winter, which is obviously going to conjure about some dialogue about each person's geographically oriented perspective. I don't feel as though that precludes the thread from being functional, as there is a wealth of great information in here. You can always block those who engage in IMBY rhetortic, but be advised you will probably be essentially relegated to self dialogue, which is never ideal assuming sound mental health.

I understand that it was only cold versus the 1991-2020 climo period. I cited that this was as cold as 2003-2004??? What I said was this was the first below average temp season that also feaured below average snowfall for my area since 2003-2004. You have misinterpreted what I said. I have agreed countless times that we are warming, so I'm not sure how we keep ending up back at this disconnect regarding that. Regarding the second bolded content....that is fine, but I'm glad we both agree that we need to wait for more data. See, this is why your assertion that a benchmark snowstorm pattern is a thing of the past is a theory...its yet to be validated. I wasn't referring to your observations about the past as theory. I do agree about the increasingly feast or famine aspect, but I also think we are still going to see some "feasts" that will slow any reduction in snowfall climo more than you imply.

Guy I went to HS with was snowmobiling in Pittsburgh, NH...he said it was about up to his waiste.....up to 4' in spots.

Low of 8.6

I'm glad that you used the term "guess" because that is exactly what the theory is right now.....a guess. The average snowfall in NYC since the 2014-2015 season is 23.3". CPK went from 1977-1978 through the 1992-1993 season without even a 30" season. I understand that you can cite differences between past subpar periods with the more modern ones, but that doesn't change the fact that we are in need of more data to validate your theory. Hence it should not be assumed as fact. Any theory worth a damn will have some data and observations to support it, but that doesn't automatically deem it fact.

I'm done with anything greater than nuisance snows, but I do think it will snow again.