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July Banter 2026

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7 hours ago, Maestrobjwa said:

I am not a blind defender, man. In another social media outlet, people got on me for being too negative when I said the season was likely over after the Blue Jays series last month and them losing 4 in row after appearing to gain momentum. I think some mistook my vigorous back-and-forth with @Chris78 a couple years ago as me being a kool-aide drinker...whereas that debate was over the culpability of ownership that was just getting settled in. And for the record now this IS their responsibility...they may have made a mistake not firing Elias & Sig and starting completely fresh in the FO. But DEFINITELY this year...they HAVE to fire him, or else they would be choosing even more mediocrity.  

On Albernaz: I think we should reserve judgement for now. The problems we see were here before he got here...and I'm starting to wonder even if a Bocci-type grizzled veteran would've been able to fix the issues in a year. And again, with the Elias problem...even less so. So I'm not sure about Alby yet, tbh

On selling: Other than Ward, Rogers, maybe Cowser, Kittridge...I don't think selling is the answer. The core we have I am almost certain will play well elsewhere--especially Gunnar. It's something deeper going on in the org that is messing them up right now. If they show Elias the door, the more system-wide problems could improve, and this same group finally plays to their potential. And besides...they know fans do NOT want to see another full-scale rebuild with more 100-loss seasons to come. Sell the young core and that's almost a guarantee. And from a talent standpoint--that drastic of a step is may not be necessary right now. And besides...we literally had a firesale last year. 

In summary: I'd much rather they clean out the front office first and keep the young core intact...that would address the issues that got us here better.

The young core...Adley? He hasn't been good for 2 years now, and injured a lot, Gunnar's play started declining the latter part of last year and he has been pretty awful this season. Mayo? Cowser? Westburg?? Good chance none of them will be on the team in 2 years. The pitching is crap. Its rebuild time dude. Trade Alonso.

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3 hours ago, CAPE said:

The young core...Adley? He hasn't been good for 2 years now, and injured a lot, Gunnar's play started declining the latter part of last year and he has been pretty awful this season. Mayo? Cowser? Westburg?? Good chance none of them will be on the team in 2 years. The pitching is crap. Its rebuild time dude. Trade Alonso.

They don't need a full rebuild like before. And Adley, Basallo, and yes even Gunnar. I don't believe Gunnar is gonna stay like this...I think it's mental. Last year was more injury-related than anything else. Jackson Holliday is 22, Beavers is a rookie. You can build around them, mo

And ehy are you hooked on trading Alonso? You ever heard of signing a star and then trading after half a season? I mean literally no team would do that, lol And you want to hurt our chances of future FAs?

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4 minutes ago, Maestrobjwa said:

They don't need a full rebuild like before. And Adley, Basallo, and yes even Gunnar (this year has been the real problem...last year was injury) And ehy are you hooked on trading Alonso? You ever heard of signing a star and then trading after half a season? I mean literally no team would do that, lol And you want to hurt our chances of future FAs? 

I doubt he will be. He has a partial no trade clause. The logic in doing it is because the team may not be competitive for a few years, and they are going to lose 'core' players to FA, so why not get some younger players via a trade if its to a team Alonso is willing to go to? No idea why you think that hurts their chances to sign future FAs. Its all about the money dude.

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58 minutes ago, CAPE said:

I doubt he will be. He has a partial no trade clause. The logic in doing it is because the team may not be competitive for a few years, and they are going to lose 'core' players to FA, so why not get some younger players via a trade if its to a team Alonso is willing to go to? No idea why you think that hurts their chances to sign future FAs. Its all about the money dude.

Because it's a commitment thing. If a future FA wants to come here, and they know that a 5 year commitment could be axed halfway into the first season...why would he? You get established here as the big signing, press conference and everything, big polar bear promotion...get into the community...finally settle in at the plate...and then you get shipped out immediately?  Bad business when it's a player of his caliber. That kind of thing goes beyond money. Players are still human beings, man--so when they sign obviously the money is the main piece, but it is not the ONLY thing. 

I'd like to know anybody has ever done something like that in our era...that is, big FA, 4-5 years, then traded him in July. I mean that just sounds ridiculous to me, lol

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1 hour ago, CAPE said:

Os got decent pitching, timely hitting, and didn't have costly defensive/ base running gaffes. Solid game by O'Neill(need way more of that) And they won. Imagine that.

And like so many other good wins the last two years...we just HAVE to get bad news afterward to ruin it. Helsley hurt again, smh We have been cursed at closer since September 2023. Helsley is a signing that should have worked!

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6 minutes ago, Maestrobjwa said:

And like so many other good wins the last two years...we just HAVE to get bad news afterward to ruin it. Helsley hurt again, smh We have been cursed at closer since September 2023. Helsley is a signing that should have worked!

Not good news, but was not a fan of that signing. He wasn't very good last year- terrible after the trade to the Mets. Os have enough young arms to fill that role.

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2 hours ago, CAPE said:

Not good news, but was not a fan of that signing. He wasn't very good last year- terrible after the trade to the Mets. Os have enough young arms to fill that role.

I don't know...that was just half a season, though. He was pretty dominant in the first half and in the seasons before. So that was more likely to be blip as opposed to evidence of regression.

And here's what I always say about a closer: they are hard to raise and you need to get a little lucky. Relying on young arms to fill the role when you are trying to win is a risky proposition: to be a closer requires a different mentality than the other bullpen innings. Not just any arm with good stuff can do it.

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15 hours ago, CAPE said:

The young core...Adley? He hasn't been good for 2 years now, and injured a lot, Gunnar's play started declining the latter part of last year and he has been pretty awful this season. Mayo? Cowser? Westburg?? Good chance none of them will be on the team in 2 years. The pitching is crap. Its rebuild time dude. Trade Alonso.

Trading Alonso at this point, c'mon. I've followed this forum for a while and you like to gas up but this is bait. 

I just recently had to log on cause of the site disruption, first post! 

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2 hours ago, Maestrobjwa said:

I don't know...that was just half a season, though. He was pretty dominant in the first half and in the seasons before. So that was more likely to be blip as opposed to evidence of regression.

And here's what I always say about a closer: they are hard to raise and you need to get a little lucky. Relying on young arms to fill the role when you are trying to win is a risky proposition: to be a closer requires a different mentality than the other bullpen innings. Not just any arm with good stuff can do it.

All teams are trying to win. If by "trying to win" you mean "in contention" are the orioles really that? Now might be a good time to see if they have a closer in the making. That guy was at best a stop gap, and a pretty expensive one at that.

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3 minutes ago, Gloves said:

Trading Alonso at this point, c'mon. I've followed this forum for a while and you like to gas up but this is bait. 

I just recently had to log on cause of the site disruption, first post! 

Nice first post.

The Orioles signed Alonso with the idea that they would be in contention and he could be a piece to help put them over the top. As it turns out, that doesn't appear to be working out. He would have to be willing to be traded, but lets say he is. Maybe after being a member of the disastrous Mets last year, he now sees a similar situation here at this point. Given how disappointing the Orioles have been for the better part of 2 seasons, the lack of progression of several of their core players, and the likely prospect of losing some of them to FA in the next 2-3 years, why is this so far fetched? Trade a vet to a contender, dump some salary, get a couple good young players in return. Will it happen? Most likely not.

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16 minutes ago, CAPE said:

All teams are trying to win. If by "trying to win" you mean "in contention" are the orioles really that? Now might be a good time to see if they have a closer in the making. That guy was at best a stop gap, and a pretty expensive one at that.

I meant that the intent coming into this season was to contend --and signing Helsly was supposed to be THE move to secure our closer. Before the second half of last season he was dominant--so it should have been s good signing. This was just unlucky, imo

And tbh...I'm not sure we have any closers in the making among the arms in the bullpen. For a little while I thought Garcia may be, but obviously his start was a fluke. And we are in a worse position now because we don't even know if Bautista will even pitch again...meaning we gotta find another closer.

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I meant that the intent coming into this season was to contend --and signing Helsly was supposed to be THE move to secure our closer. Before the second half of last season he was dominant--so it should have been s good signing. This was just unlucky, imo

And tbh...I'm not sure we have any closers in the making among the arms in the bullpen. For a little while I thought Garcia may be, but obviously his start was a fluke. And we are in a worse position now because we don't even know if Bautista will even pitch again...meaning we gotta find another closer.

Well lets be honest about this team- there are a lot of uncertainties at this point-unless you believe the Elias gaslighting lol.

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18 minutes ago, CAPE said:

Nice first post.

The Orioles signed Alonso with the idea that they would be in contention and he could be a piece to help put them over the top. As it turns out, that doesn't appear to be working out. He would have to be willing to be traded, but lets say he is. Maybe after being a member of the disastrous Mets last year, he now sees a similar situation here at this point. Given how disappointing the Orioles have been for the better part of 2 seasons, the lack of progression of several of their core players, and the likely prospect of losing some of them to FA in the next 2-3 years, why is this so far fetched? Trade a vet to a contender, dump some salary, get a couple good young players in return. Will it happen? Most likely not.

Fair play, but are the Orioles capable of doing anything positive?

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31 minutes ago, CAPE said:

Nice first post.

The Orioles signed Alonso with the idea that they would be in contention and he could be a piece to help put them over the top. As it turns out, that doesn't appear to be working out. He would have to be willing to be traded, but lets say he is. Maybe after being a member of the disastrous Mets last year, he now sees a similar situation here at this point. Given how disappointing the Orioles have been for the better part of 2 seasons, the lack of progression of several of their core players, and the likely prospect of losing some of them to FA in the next 2-3 years, why is this so far fetched? Trade a vet to a contender, dump some salary, get a couple good young players in return. Will it happen? Most likely not.

100% AGREE with everything you said. They will not trade Alonso. At least not this year. Maybe next year if they can dump part of his salary but they're going to have to pay some of it too. The problem is the core players that came out of Norfolk probably overachieved for a while and gave a false sense of hope for the future. Gunner needs a change of venue. Cowser is just average at best. Westberg probably is going to struggle to get on the field. Adley will probably just be a mediocre ball player. They have no pitching. And fundamentals are terrible. Manager Choice was very suspect. Elias is probably gone in the offseason.

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10 minutes ago, Gloves said:

Fair play, but are the Orioles capable of doing anything positive?

Imo, not until Elias is gone. I wish that could be now, but ofc it won't be. So he will likely make some moves at the deadline that will further set this team back in an attempt save his skin, then get canned after the season.

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44 minutes ago, nj2va said:

Oops sorry that was me :( :ph34r:

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No.  The main culprit was a 21 year old birthday boy that was mad that his girlfriend had a vertical ID that my manager wouldn't accept.  And birthday boy told me about it.  A lot.  I had to pretend that I was teaching again to avoid trouble.  

It was all good though.  Whiskey cures all.

 

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2 minutes ago, Stormpc said:

Jackson holiday is a big disappointment as well. Let's see what happens though in the next year or two. You never know but I suspect he's going to be a journeyman

He is young and has been handled terribly, so still some hope if the ownership has the balls to clean house at the top. New GM. New manager, and coaches. Hard to say which of those is worse right now, but its all bad  and major change is needed.

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