September 2025 OBS-Discussion centered NYC subforum

[the_other_guy]

15 minutes ago, SACRUS said:

 

Sep Dep's Through Sep 26th

EWR: +1.3
NYC: +0.6
JFK: 0 even
LGA" -.05

 

 

Newark Airport…the warm cesspool of cement

[anthonymm]

3 hours ago, forkyfork said:

it's so hard to get a normal down that lasts more than a month

Yup even with 91-20 normals. I don't even understand how anyone can deny the reality at this point. 

[bluewave]

Several stations had a warmer departure than Newark did this month.

 

HVN…+2.2

PHL….+2.1

FWN….+2.0

ISP…….+1.7

SMQ…..+1.4

MPO….+1.4

EWR…..+1.3

HPN…..+1.1

TTN…..+0.6

POU…..+0.5

NYC……+0.3

JFK……..0.0

LGA…….-0.4

BDR…….-0.5

 

[LibertyBell]

13 minutes ago, bluewave said:

Several stations had a warmer departure than Newark did this month.

 

HVN…+2.2

PHL….+2.1

FWN….+2.0

ISP…….+1.7

SMQ…..+1.4

MPO….+1.4

EWR…..+1.3

HPN…..+1.1

TTN…..+0.6

POU…..+0.5

NYC……+0.3

JFK……..0.0

LGA…….-0.4

BDR…….-0.5

 

Most of us finished neutral, inland it was warmer.

ISP too for some reason as well as HVN.

 

[Sundog]

29 minutes ago, anthonymm said:

Yup even with 91-20 normals. I don't even understand how anyone can deny the reality at this point. 

Most people that aren't low IQ have moved on from the argument that we aren't warming and have now embraced the "the cause is anything and everything BUT anthropogenic greenhouse gas emissions" defense. 

Sadly there is a HUGE portion of the population that also thinks that the USA is the sole party responsible for fixing climate change when we account for only 10% of global emissions. 

[bluewave]

28 minutes ago, LibertyBell said:

Most of us finished neutral, inland it was warmer.

ISP too for some reason as well as HVN.

 

Several stations had top 10 warmest September temperatures so far without that high of a departure since the new climate normals are so warm. Even the -0.4 at LGA is still the 13th warmest September temperature so far. 70° Septembers have become much more common than they used to be.

Time Series Summary for ISLIP-LI MACARTHUR AP, NY - Month of Sep
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1	2015	70.9	0
2	2005	70.2	0
3	2018	69.8	0
4	2021	69.6	0
-	1980	69.6	0
5	2025	69.3	4
6	2017	69.0	0
-	2011	69.0	0
7	2016	68.9	0
8	2023	68.6	0
-	1998	68.6	0
9	2010	68.3	0
10	2022	68.2	0

 

Time Series Summary for NEW HAVEN TWEED AP, CT - Month of Sep
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1	2000	75.0	26
2	1961	70.2	0
3	2021	70.1	0
4	2018	69.4	0
5	2023	69.2	0
6	2015	69.1	0
-	2011	69.1	0
7	2025	68.9	4
-	2010	68.9	0
8	2022	68.7	0
9	1971	68.5	0
10	1977	68.3	0

 

Time Series Summary for SUSSEX AIRPORT, NJ - Month of Sep
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1	2018	66.8	0
2	2015	66.5	0
3	2011	65.9	0
4	2021	65.7	0
5	2025	65.5	4
-	2005	65.5	0
6	2014	65.2	0
7	2017	65.1	0
8	2019	65.0	0
9	2016	64.6	8
10	2010	64.5	0

 

Time Series Summary for SOMERSET AIRPORT, NJ - Month of Sep
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1	2015	69.8	0
2	2018	69.4	0
3	2016	68.7	0
-	2005	68.7	0
4	2025	67.9	4
-	2011	67.9	0
5	2019	67.8	0
6	2017	67.6	0
7	2023	67.4	0
8	2021	67.3	0
9	2010	67.0	0
-	2004	67.0	0
10	2007	66.8	0

 

Time Series Summary for LAGUARDIA AIRPORT, NY - Month of Sep
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1	2005	74.9	0
2	2015	74.1	0
3	2016	73.8	0
4	1961	73.6	0
5	2007	73.0	0
6	2018	72.8	0
7	2021	72.7	0
8	2010	72.5	0
-	1959	72.5	0
9	2019	72.1	0
10	1998	71.6	0
11	2017	71.5	0
12	2002	71.3	0
13	2025	71.1	4
-	2020	71.1	0
14	2023	71.0	0
15	2022	70.9	0

[the_other_guy]

17 minutes ago, Sundog said:

Most people that aren't low IQ have moved on from the argument that we aren't warming and have now embraced the "the cause is anything and everything BUT anthropogenic greenhouse gas emissions" defense. 

Sadly there is a HUGE portion of the population that also thinks that the USA is the sole party responsible for fixing climate change when we account for only 10% of global emissions. 

I dont think most people deny its happening. I think beyond headlines most people just don’t care that much. They will reasonably make changes as necessary and drown out the overused catastrophic predictions. 

Personally, im not going to alter my life in any drastic measure to change the trajectory by a decimal point 100 years from now. If that means September is a summer month, I have plenty of shorts and tank tops.

I think the biggest friction is between the mass populous that feels somewhat like I do and the doom predictors that want us to drastically change modern life.

 

Up to 76 now!

[SnoSki14]

2 minutes ago, the_other_guy said:

I dont think most people deny its happening. I think beyond headlines most people just don’t care that much. They will reasonably make changes as necessary and drown out the overused catastrophic predictions. 

Personally, im not going to alter my life in any drastic measure to change the trajectory by a decimal point 100 years from now. If that means September is a summer month, I have plenty of shorts and tank tops.

I think the biggest friction is between the mass populous that feels somewhat like I do and the doom predictors that want us to drastically change modern life.

 

Up to 76 now!

Unfortunately the slowly boiling frog in the pot applies here. Until we see undeniable catastrophic daily events globally then most will ignore it. 

Won't be long though. With current trends we'll see multiple unlivable conditions develop in a decade or so. 

[LibertyBell]

46 minutes ago, bluewave said:

Several stations had top 10 warmest September temperatures so far without that high of a departure since the new climate normals are so warm. Even the -0.4 at LGA is still the 13th warmest September temperature so far. 70° Septembers have become much more common than they used to be.

Time Series Summary for ISLIP-LI MACARTHUR AP, NY - Month of Sep
Click column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending.

1	2015	70.9	0
2	2005	70.2	0
3	2018	69.8	0
4	2021	69.6	0
-	1980	69.6	0
5	2025	69.3	4
6	2017	69.0	0
-	2011	69.0	0
7	2016	68.9	0
8	2023	68.6	0
-	1998	68.6	0
9	2010	68.3	0
10	2022	68.2	0

 

Time Series Summary for NEW HAVEN TWEED AP, CT - Month of Sep
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1	2000	75.0	26
2	1961	70.2	0
3	2021	70.1	0
4	2018	69.4	0
5	2023	69.2	0
6	2015	69.1	0
-	2011	69.1	0
7	2025	68.9	4
-	2010	68.9	0
8	2022	68.7	0
9	1971	68.5	0
10	1977	68.3	0

 

Time Series Summary for SUSSEX AIRPORT, NJ - Month of Sep
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1	2018	66.8	0
2	2015	66.5	0
3	2011	65.9	0
4	2021	65.7	0
5	2025	65.5	4
-	2005	65.5	0
6	2014	65.2	0
7	2017	65.1	0
8	2019	65.0	0
9	2016	64.6	8
10	2010	64.5	0

 

Time Series Summary for SOMERSET AIRPORT, NJ - Month of Sep
Click column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending.

1	2015	69.8	0
2	2018	69.4	0
3	2016	68.7	0
-	2005	68.7	0
4	2025	67.9	4
-	2011	67.9	0
5	2019	67.8	0
6	2017	67.6	0
7	2023	67.4	0
8	2021	67.3	0
9	2010	67.0	0
-	2004	67.0	0
10	2007	66.8	0

 

Time Series Summary for LAGUARDIA AIRPORT, NY - Month of Sep
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1	2005	74.9	0
2	2015	74.1	0
3	2016	73.8	0
4	1961	73.6	0
5	2007	73.0	0
6	2018	72.8	0
7	2021	72.7	0
8	2010	72.5	0
-	1959	72.5	0
9	2019	72.1	0
10	1998	71.6	0
11	2017	71.5	0
12	2002	71.3	0
13	2025	71.1	4
-	2020	71.1	0
14	2023	71.0	0
15	2022	70.9	0

See Chris, this is the difference between warm and hot.

September 1983 was objectively and unequivocally the hottest September on record, but when you factor in minimum temperatures and not actual hot weather (above 90 degree heat), these other Septembers are warmer (but not as hot.)

 

[LibertyBell]

34 minutes ago, SnoSki14 said:

Unfortunately the slowly boiling frog in the pot applies here. Until we see undeniable catastrophic daily events globally then most will ignore it. 

Won't be long though. With current trends we'll see multiple unlivable conditions develop in a decade or so. 

Humanity will continue to exist (fortunately or unfortunately), we'll all just live in an Africa like climate (which is where humanity originated after all.)

I'll make the devil's advocate argument here (because I can) global cooling is MUCH more dangerous than global warming and cooling episodes have historically killed many more people and caused starvation via crop failures.

There is no boiling frog and by the way I find that phrase offensive since I am 100% against the killing of animals and animal cruelty in general.  It's why I hate the French so much (they boil frogs and explode the stomachs of ducks to make foie gras.)

 

[Sundog]

1 minute ago, LibertyBell said:

Humanity will continue to exist (fortunately or unfortunately), we'll all just live in an Africa like climate (which is where humanity originated after all.)

I'll make the devil's advocate argument here (because I can) global cooling is MUCH more dangerous than global warming and cooling episodes have historically killed many more people and caused starvation via crop failures.

There is no boiling frog and by the way I find that phrase offensive since I am 100% against the killing of animals and animal cruelty in general.  It's why I hate the French so much (they boil frogs and explode the stomachs of ducks to make foie gras.)

 

Are you a vegan?

[LibertyBell]

42 minutes ago, the_other_guy said:

I dont think most people deny its happening. I think beyond headlines most people just don’t care that much. They will reasonably make changes as necessary and drown out the overused catastrophic predictions. 

Personally, im not going to alter my life in any drastic measure to change the trajectory by a decimal point 100 years from now. If that means September is a summer month, I have plenty of shorts and tank tops.

I think the biggest friction is between the mass populous that feels somewhat like I do and the doom predictors that want us to drastically change modern life.

 

Up to 76 now!

Colder Septembers and Octobers -- the only people who like those are the energy companies who make money off of cold weather.

The good thing about warmer falls is, it means less money for the fossil fuel cartels too lol.

[LibertyBell]

1 minute ago, Sundog said:

Are you a vegan?

Yes, for three years now, but even if I wasn't what the French do is absolutely cruel.

Many of our major cities have banned foie gras.

[donsutherland1]

34 minutes ago, LibertyBell said:

See Chris, this is the difference between warm and hot.

September 1983 was objectively and unequivocally the hottest September on record, but when you factor in minimum temperatures and not actual hot weather (above 90 degree heat), these other Septembers are warmer (but not as hot.)

 

1983 actually does not hold the record for mean high during September, but does hold the record for most 90° or above days at a number of local sites. 

[bluewave]

40 minutes ago, LibertyBell said:

See Chris, this is the difference between warm and hot.

September 1983 was objectively and unequivocally the hottest September on record, but when you factor in minimum temperatures and not actual hot weather (above 90 degree heat), these other Septembers are warmer (but not as hot.)

 

It’s tougher these days to reach 100° in September like in 1983 since the heat has been peaking earlier in the summer. We have been seeing more 100° days in June. The area hasn’t  reached 100° after August 12th since 2005 and September 1st since 1993.

 

Monthly Data for September 1983 for Mount Holly NJ NWS CWA
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PA	PHILADELPHIA	WBAN	102
NJ	HAMMONTON 1 NE	COOP	102
NJ	EWING 3 WNW	COOP	101
MD	CENTREVILLE	COOP	100
MD	CHESTERTOWN	COOP	100
DE	BRIDGEVILLE 1 NW	COOP	100
DE	NEWARK AG FARM	COOP	100
DE	MIDDLETOWN 3 E	COOP	100
PA	MARCUS HOOK	COOP	100
NJ	SHILOH	COOP	100
DE	WILMINGTON AIRPORT	WBAN	100
PA	DEVAULT 1 W	COOP	100
PA	NORRISTOWN	COOP	100
PA	READING 4 NNW	COOP	100
NJ	AUDUBON	COOP	100
NJ	LAMBERTVILLE	COOP	100

 

Monthly Data for September 1983 for Upton NY NWS CWA
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NJ	PLAINFIELD	COOP	100
NY	NEW YORK LAUREL HILL	COOP	100

 

[SACRUS]

 

Made it to 80+

 

81 / 61

[LibertyBell]

20 minutes ago, bluewave said:

It’s tougher these days to reach 100° in September like in 1983 since the heat has been peaking earlier in the summer. We have been seeing more 100° days in June. The area hasn’t  reached 100° after August 12th since 2005 and September 1st since 1993.

 

Monthly Data for September 1983 for Mount Holly NJ NWS CWA
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PA	PHILADELPHIA	WBAN	102
NJ	HAMMONTON 1 NE	COOP	102
NJ	EWING 3 WNW	COOP	101
MD	CENTREVILLE	COOP	100
MD	CHESTERTOWN	COOP	100
DE	BRIDGEVILLE 1 NW	COOP	100
DE	NEWARK AG FARM	COOP	100
DE	MIDDLETOWN 3 E	COOP	100
PA	MARCUS HOOK	COOP	100
NJ	SHILOH	COOP	100
DE	WILMINGTON AIRPORT	WBAN	100
PA	DEVAULT 1 W	COOP	100
PA	NORRISTOWN	COOP	100
PA	READING 4 NNW	COOP	100
NJ	AUDUBON	COOP	100
NJ	LAMBERTVILLE	COOP	100

 

Monthly Data for September 1983 for Upton NY NWS CWA
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NJ	PLAINFIELD	COOP	100
NY	NEW YORK LAUREL HILL	COOP	100

 

wow even Philly hasn't hit 100 in a long time, they didn't hit 100 in June did they?

[LibertyBell]

3 minutes ago, SACRUS said:

 

Made it to 80+

 

81 / 61

the sun is out it's been bright and sunny for a few hours here now

[LibertyBell]

22 minutes ago, donsutherland1 said:

1983 actually does not hold the record for mean high during September, but does hold the record for most 90° or above days at a number of local sites. 

Yes, it's similar to how May was in 1991, both had a high number of 90 degree days.  September 1983 really tailed off after the 21st though and got colder in a hurry after the equinox.  Led to a very cold and dry la nina winter in 1983-84.

 

[LibertyBell]

24 minutes ago, donsutherland1 said:

1983 actually does not hold the record for mean high during September, but does hold the record for most 90° or above days at a number of local sites. 

1961 was also very hot wow, 9 and 8 90+ highs at EWR and NYC respectively.

Wait, Don, how did EWR have an average high of 88.0 in September 1891? That looks obscenely high and MUCH higher than everyone else lol.  UHI in 1891? What does that month look like for highs/lows at EWR? How was it so much hotter there in September 1891 than NYC was?

[donsutherland1]

3 minutes ago, LibertyBell said:

1961 was also very hot wow, 9 and 8 90+ highs at EWR and NYC respectively.

Wait, Don, how did EWR have an average high of 88.0 in September 1891? That looks obscenely high and MUCH higher than everyone else lol.  UHI in 1891? What does that month look like for highs/lows at EWR? How was it so much hotter there in September 1891 than NYC was?

Sorry, I pasted from the table early in this thread and accidentally overlooked my note. There were missing days.

Note: The highest average maximum temperature at Newark for a September that is missing no daily records is 83.3°, which was set in 2005. 

[cleetussnow]

1 hour ago, SnoSki14 said:

Unfortunately the slowly boiling frog in the pot applies here. Until we see undeniable catastrophic daily events globally then most will ignore it. 

Won't be long though. With current trends we'll see multiple unlivable conditions develop in a decade or so. 

There are multiple unlivable conditions all over the world already.  Which is why people don’t live there.  Never have.