fall-ish banter

[LibertyBell]

1 minute ago, Sundog said:

You wouldn't even notice the dimming bud, sort of like the way you pretend you don't notice climate change either. 

There are some thoughts that there would be a slight haze to the air from the particulate matter being in the sky, but that's about it.

 

[Sundog]

2 hours ago, winterwarlock said:

This is highly highly disturbing

 

Hundreds of documents show how researchers failed to notify officials in California about a test of technology to block the sun’s rays — while they planned a much huger sequel. 

 

https://www.politico.com/news/2025/07/27/california-sunlight-dimming-experiment-collapse-00476983

Breaking: the Chinese are performing a MASSIVE atmospheric experiment by releasing 15 billion metric tons of greenhouse gases annually, never notified Americans!

Click below to find out more!

 

And you're worried about a small water vapor cloud lol

 

[Sundog]

Just now, LibertyBell said:

There are some thoughts that there would be a slight haze to the air from the particulate matter being in the sky, but that's about it.

 

It would be a stratospheric injection, @FPizz acts like it will look like Delhi, India circa 1990. 

[Sundog]

Turkey broke their all time record and hit 50.5C, breaking the previous record of 49.5C set ONLY LAST YEAR

 

 

[LibertyBell]

3 minutes ago, Sundog said:

It would be a stratospheric injection, @FPizz acts like it will look like Delhi, India circa 1990. 

Yeah nothing like that, actually India still has that dirty air and it causes migraines.

They are setting up massive air filters to try and get rid of it.

Also setting limits on how many cars can be on the road at one time.

One of the positives of the pandemic was a lowering in air pollution rates.

[LibertyBell]

2 minutes ago, Sundog said:

Turkey broke their all time record and hit 50.5C, breaking the previous record of 49.5C set ONLY LAST YEAR

 

 

There are massive wildfires going on in Turkey, Greece and even the island of Cyprus.

Now that will really impact air quality and air pollution.

[winterwarlock]

32 minutes ago, Sundog said:

Breaking: the Chinese are performing a MASSIVE atmospheric experiment by releasing 15 billion metric tons of greenhouse gases annually, never notified Americans!

Click below to find out more!

 

And you're worried about a small water vapor cloud lol

 

No one should be fooling with stuff like this

[winterwarlock]

35 minutes ago, Sundog said:

You wouldn't even notice the dimming bud, sort of like the way you pretend you don't notice climate change either. 

Wtf. Dimming is okay with you...wow

[Sundog]

7 minutes ago, winterwarlock said:

Wtf. Dimming is okay with you...wow

Of course it is. The world was doing that for almost all of the industrial age. 

Did you have a problem with it then? 

You only have a problem with only the type of pollution you can see?

[forkyfork]

11 minutes ago, Sundog said:

Of course it is. The world was doing that for almost all of the industrial age. 

Did you have a problem with it then? 

You only have a problem with only the type of pollution you can see?

i think you just need to start getting yourself acclimated to hot summers

[Sundog]

Just now, forkyfork said:

i think you just need to start getting yourself acclimated to hot summers

I can get used to hotter summers. 

I won't ever get used to dewpoints averaging 75 to 80. 

I also don't want evapotranspiration exacerbating droughts, also allowing pests to better kill trees, having worse wildfires, having more intense monster rainfalls, etc.

There has to be an endpoint to the warming. We can't just let this keep happening perpetually. 

I have zero hope we can get the rest of the world on board regarding getting rid of greenhouse gases. 

So since they can pollute unilaterally then we can do annual stratospheric aerosol injections unilaterally.  

I think in the end shit will get so bad that we wind up doing the injections anyway, just 30 or 40 years down the road. 

[Stormlover74]

By one week I missed a derecho and large hail in the Dakotas. Supposed to sweep through the twin cities tonight

[LibertyBell]

1 hour ago, Sundog said:

I can get used to hotter summers. 

I won't ever get used to dewpoints averaging 75 to 80. 

I also don't want evapotranspiration exacerbating droughts, also allowing pests to better kill trees, having worse wildfires, having more intense monster rainfalls, etc.

There has to be an endpoint to the warming. We can't just let this keep happening perpetually. 

I have zero hope we can get the rest of the world on board regarding getting rid of greenhouse gases. 

So since they can pollute unilaterally then we can do annual stratospheric aerosol injections unilaterally.  

I think in the end shit will get so bad that we wind up doing the injections anyway, just 30 or 40 years down the road. 

we are going to start geoengineering in short order

it's been happening for hundreds of years anyway

[LibertyBell]

1 hour ago, Sundog said:

Of course it is. The world was doing that for almost all of the industrial age. 

Did you have a problem with it then? 

You only have a problem with only the type of pollution you can see?

I think dimming is the wrong word to use, it makes it seem like we are going to eclipse the sun with a giant satellite lol

 

[TheClimateChanger]

5 hours ago, winterwarlock said:

This is highly highly disturbing

 

Hundreds of documents show how researchers failed to notify officials in California about a test of technology to block the sun’s rays — while they planned a much huger sequel. 

 

https://www.politico.com/news/2025/07/27/california-sunlight-dimming-experiment-collapse-00476983

Called it decades ago. Official response: deny, deny, downplay, inaction - "oh actually it is warming, but we can solve it by blocking out 5% of the sun." Oh, to top it off, we won't even bother telling the peasants! Wouldn't want the residents of Winnipeg, Yellow Knife or Fairbanks getting uppity about the loss of their precious sunlight.

[LibertyBell]

2 minutes ago, Santa Claus said:

also it totally disregards a million other effects on ecology, small and large

they'll say humanity has already been doing that and causing a mass extinction to boot.

[Sundog]

18 minutes ago, LibertyBell said:

we are going to start geoengineering in short order

it's been happening for hundreds of years anyway

Yea I love how everyone just acts like pumping out hundreds of billions of metric tons of greenhouse gases is NOT geoengineering lolol

[LibertyBell]

5 minutes ago, Sundog said:

Yea I love how everyone just acts like pumping out hundreds of billions of metric tons of greenhouse gases is NOT geoengineering lolol

it goes along with all the other forms of geoengineering like usage of toxic pesticides that is driving the mass extinction of vital pollinators.

Not only that, other creatures have been geoengineering for billions of years-- blue green algae (photosynthetic bacteria) changed the composition of our atmosphere to make it hospitable for us to exist.

 

[winterwarlock]

Oh please

[IrishRob17]

41 minutes ago, LibertyBell said:

yup, but more clouds

where do these clouds come from anyway?

Bob Ross and his happy little clouds.

(One either gets that or they don't)

[Sundog]

1 hour ago, winterwarlock said:

Oh please

This is not a counterargument lol

[winterwarlock]

18 minutes ago, Sundog said:

This is not a counterargument lol

OK give up all your possessions 

[Sundog]

5 minutes ago, winterwarlock said:

OK give up all your possessions 

You must have me mixed up with someone else. 

I know we won't get the rest of the world that produces 90% of the greenhouse pollution on board with completely eliminating them, so we should just inject aerosols into the stratosphere annually to bring down temps to where they were at least 30 years ago. 

Did you die when Mount Pinatubo erupted? Were your days shrouded in darkness because of the eruption?

 

[Sundog]

20 million tons of sulfur dioxide into stratosphere dropped the global temperature by 1 degree F. 

This can be done. All of you poo pooing this will regret it. 

[etudiant]

6 hours ago, Sundog said:

20 million tons of sulfur dioxide into stratosphere dropped the global temperature by 1 degree F. 

This can be done. All of you poo pooing this will regret it. 

What do you do next year is the question.

A one time fix does not help, we need a permanent (say 1000 years or more) solution.

[Sundog]

2 minutes ago, etudiant said:

What do you do next year is the question.

A one time fix does not help, we need a permanent (say 1000 years or more) solution.

I'm for an annual injection. This isn't some pie in the sky stuff like deploying mirrors in space to reflect the Sun, it can be done.

And while we clamp down on the warming with the injections, we can still transition to clean energy, manufacturing, transportation, etc and eventually stop the aerosols. 

People constantly act like this is a USA problem when we're only responsible for 10% of greenhouse gases. 

We need to act now before sht goes off the rails. Can't wait for the rest of the world to do anything, because they're not. 

[forkyfork]

12 hours ago, Sundog said:

I'm for an annual injection. This isn't some pie in the sky stuff like deploying mirrors in space to reflect the Sun, it can be done.

And while we clamp down on the warming with the injections, we can still transition to clean energy, manufacturing, transportation, etc and eventually stop the aerosols. 

People constantly act like this is a USA problem when we're only responsible for 10% of greenhouse gases. 

We need to act now before sht goes off the rails. Can't wait for the rest of the world to do anything, because they're not. 

we are going to easily cruise past +2c. lots of suffering ahead for amerifats <3

[forkyfork]

i have a big giant house that i keep at 68 degrees all summer and i have three cars in the garage. i had all the trees on my property cut down because i hate them. climate change is china's fault

[forkyfork]

also i eat 20 lbs of beef a week

[Sundog]

10 minutes ago, forkyfork said:

i have a big giant house that i keep at 68 degrees all summer and i have three cars in the garage. i had all the trees on my property cut down because i hate them. climate change is china's fault

China built between 200 and 300 coal power plants over the last 10 years 

The West has built none in the last 25 years. 

Do they know in China that they could have built solar panel farms or wind energy in the last 10 years instead? Or maybe even Natural Gas even though it also sucks but nowhere near as much as coal?

And you want to fix climate change all on your own when you're up against that lol ok good luck