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Good suggestion @C.A.P.E.

Lets move all COVID chatter here, and please TRY to keep it as politics free as you can. I know that there will be mentions of pressers, articles, statements, facts, etc. But please try and not to throw blame around, put down others for there stances, etc. 

Stay well, friends. Don't make me delete your posts. :) 

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18 minutes ago, C.A.P.E. said:

It is a shame that engaging in a discussion involving politics always seems to 'devolve" into trolling and name calling, but it is a sign of the times we live in. No one is changing any minds on personal world views, etc. That said, it is possible to have rational and respectful discussions/debates, as long as those involved are open minded and have a reasonable level of intelligence.

It is what it is unfortunately. I quite often used to have debates with others and actually enjoyed them. I have always felt that you needed both sides of a story to get a healthy perspective on the issues.  But I have found now-a-days that fewer and fewer are even interested in civil discourse let alone trying to get an understanding of differing views. What we have now is pretty much an echo chamber on both sides of the aisle where like minded people scream their like thoughts back and forth to each other and any differing opinions are squashed. It sort of reminds me of what you see with a group of people psyching each other just prior to a brawl/riot. And I tremble to think of where our country is heading when I see this type of behavior. As they say, ''A house divided falls' and that is exactly what I see across the board in America. Which is shocking when you consider our current crisis. You would think that at least now we could put aside our differences for a common cause. But I guess not.

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30 minutes ago, C.A.P.E. said:

Pretty ignorant. Maybe read this, or use google to learn a little more.

https://www.statesman.com/news/20200326/fact-check-is-chinese-culture-to-blame-for-coronavirus

An excerpt:

 

I’m sorry you feel that way but it’s not ignorant at all...have you seen the videos of these markets? I won’t post one here because it’s quite vile. But go ahead and check it out. 
 

https://www.realclearscience.com/blog/2020/02/18/why_do_new_disease_outbreaks_always_seem_to_start_in_china.html

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22 minutes ago, showmethesnow said:

It is what it is unfortunately. I quite often used to have debates with others and actually enjoyed them. I have always felt that you needed both sides of a story to get a healthy perspective on the issues.  But I have found now-a-days that fewer and fewer are even interested in civil discourse let alone trying to get an understanding of differing views. What we have now is pretty much an echo chamber on both sides of the aisle where like minded people scream their like thoughts back and forth to each other and any differing opinions are squashed. It sort of reminds me of what you see with a group of people psyching each other just prior to a brawl/riot. And I tremble to think of where our country is heading when I see this type of behavior. As they say, ''A house divided falls' and that is exactly what I see across the board in America. Which is shocking when you consider our current crisis. You would think that at least now we could put aside our differences for a common cause. But I guess not.

Without hijacking the new thread lol, I will just say this. For me it is not a Democrat vs Republican thing. Sure I lean left on many issues, but I have plenty of conservative friends and relatives, and with at least a handful of them, I do discuss politics and it is actually constructive and enjoyable. The biggest dividing element today in our politics is the behavior of the president himself, who has no ideology (which could have been a good thing).

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16 minutes ago, Baltimorewx said:

I’m sorry you feel that way but it’s not ignorant at all...have you seen the videos of these markets? I won’t post one here because it’s quite vile. But go ahead and check it out. 
 

https://www.realclearscience.com/blog/2020/02/18/why_do_new_disease_outbreaks_always_seem_to_start_in_china.html

My response was not specifically about the wet markets. It was the generalization you made about Chinese culture.

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9 minutes ago, C.A.P.E. said:

My response was not specifically about the wet markets. It was the generalization you made about Chinese culture.

Wet markets are apart of their way of life in many provinces over there. I stated there’s a reason many diseases originate there and sourced a reliable article supporting it. There’s nothing ignorant about that

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16 minutes ago, C.A.P.E. said:

Without hijacking the new thread lol, I will just say this. For me it is not a Democrat vs Republican thing. Sure I lean left on many issues, but I have many plenty of conservative friends and relatives, and with at least a handful of them, I do discuss politics and it is actually constructive and enjoyable. The biggest dividing element today in our politics is the behavior of the president himself, who has no ideology (which could have been a good thing).

Trump? You really do believe in throwing the elephant into the room. :lol: I think we might be better served by focusing on the pros and cons of the corona virus  policies themselves when it comes to it rather then taking shots at the Trumps, Pelosi's, McConnell's, Schumer's or whomever else brings strong polarizing reactions. Otherwise this thread will quickly turn ugly with no meaningful discussion. But that is just my opinion.

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2 minutes ago, Baltimorewx said:

Wet markets are apart of their way of life in many provinces over there. I stated there’s a reason many diseases originate there and sourced a reliable article supporting it. There’s nothing ignorant about that

You stated that their way of life over there is disgusting. So you said that solely because of the wet markets? Again, you are ignorant.

 

 

 

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5 minutes ago, C.A.P.E. said:

You stated that their way of life over there is disgusting. So you said that solely because of the wet markets? Again, you are ignorant.

 

 

 

We’re talking about a culture that slaughters dogs and cats for meat...and exotic animals and then cages and sells them, much of the time killing them live in person. What are we really talking about here? Does the entire population participate in this? Of course not. But it is a large part of the culture over there. Again, I stated a reliable source supporting  that particular way of life likely contributes to these disease outbreaks. If you didn’t like my particular wording, apologies but we’re talking semantics 

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14 minutes ago, showmethesnow said:

Trump? You really do believe in throwing the elephant into the room. :lol: I think we might be better served by focusing on the pros and cons of the corona virus  policies themselves when it comes to it rather then taking shots at the Trumps, Pelosi's, McConnell's, Schumer's or whomever else brings strong polarizing reactions. Otherwise this thread will quickly turn ugly with no meaningful discussion. But that is just my opinion.

i support this! showmethesnow for mod!

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4 minutes ago, Baltimorewx said:

We’re talking about a culture that slaughters dogs and cats for meat...and exotic animals and then cages and sells them, much of the time killing them live in person. What are we really talking about here? Does the entire population participate in this? Of course not. But it is a large part of the culture over there. Again, I stated a reliable source supporting  that particular way of life likely contributes to these disease outbreaks. If you didn’t like my particular wording, apologies but we’re talking semantics 

Have you seen Tiger King yet? Do you think our entire country is above the behavior you are talking about? I grew up in Missouri I assure you we are not. We literally got horse in school and squirrel at the baby sitters.

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1 minute ago, understudyhero said:

Have you seen Tiger King yet? Do you think our entire country is above the behavior you are talking about? I grew up in Missouri I assure you we are not. We literally got horse in school and squirrel at the baby sitters.

America has a problem with keeping exotic animals in captivity for profit. Hence SeaWorld. But I’ve never heard of a wide reaching range of a problem of selling exotic animals for meat at markets. Does it maybe happen it the boondocks? Ok, I’ll Concede. But not in cities and provinces where literally millions of people live and congregate 

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1 minute ago, WxWatcher007 said:

Off to a great start I see :lol:

its close... im letting it play out

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Just now, WxWatcher007 said:

Same thing in the NE thread. We’ll be fine.

i was in there this morning, few reported posts. you guys are funny. 

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36 minutes ago, showmethesnow said:

Trump? You really do believe in throwing the elephant into the room. :lol: I think we might be better served by focusing on the pros and cons of the corona virus  policies themselves when it comes to it rather then taking shots at the Trumps, Pelosi's, McConnell's, Schumer's or whomever else brings strong polarizing reactions. Otherwise this thread will quickly turn ugly with no meaningful discussion. But that is just my opinion.

I was just expanding on what you were saying about the heightened lack of civil discourse and dueling echo chambers, which all seems worse than I can ever recall. The last part of my post was right along those lines. I wasn't taking any shots. But yes, I agree this wont bear any fruit here.

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12 minutes ago, mappy said:

i was in there this morning, few reported posts. you guys are funny. 

Y’all are my people. I’m just passing through up there... 

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9 minutes ago, showmethesnow said:

I am sure @WxWatcher007 was stirring the pot. :lol:

ha, wasn't him. but ive been reminded why i shouldnt go there. so ill stay here

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1 minute ago, C.A.P.E. said:

I was just expanding on what you were saying about the heightened lack of civil discourse and dueling echo chambers, which all seems worse than I can ever recall. The last part of my post was right along those lines. I wasn't taking any shots. But yes, I agree this wont bear any fruit here.

I wasn't calling you out by any means. Well maybe a little. You did take a quick pot shot at Trump after all. :lol:

But your point is pretty much on target. We have some very polarizing figures on both sides of the aisle that are focal points for the wide almost insurmountable chasm we now see between the two different ideologies. But I would probably argue that these figures aren't so much the cause of the issues more so then they are a product of this deep ideological divide. Take out the underlining issues (the divide) and we wouldn't have these polarizing figures as there would be no need for them. In other words, they are nothing more then a product of our times. Just my thoughts.

 

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4 minutes ago, mappy said:

ha, wasn't him. but ive been reminded why i shouldnt go there. so ill stay here

Some days I read the board and just want to quit altogether. But then I’m reminded that (for the most part) there’s more good than bad here. 

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3 minutes ago, WxWatcher007 said:

Some days I read the board and just want to quit altogether. But then I’m reminded that (for the most part) there’s more good than bad here. 

Until I start posting and then its all downhill

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1 minute ago, WxWatcher007 said:

I long for the days where our forum wars are over snow :( 

They could fill the potomac in and I'd still get a enough of a river breeze to keep my temps 32.00000000000001 while mappyland and Bob Chill get PUMMELED!!!!!!!11!!11111!!!!!!

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its fine, its over and done with. posts removed. apologies given. lets all move along.

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21 minutes ago, H2O said:

They could fill the potomac in and I'd still get a enough of a river breeze to keep my temps 32.00000000000001 while mappyland and Bob Chill get PUMMELED!!!!!!!11!!11111!!!!!!

Speaking of, I hope @Bob Chill and his family are doing alright during all of this.

MD cases have risen rapidly the last week.

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2 minutes ago, showmethesnow said:

I wasn't calling you out by any means. Well maybe a little. You did take a quick pot shot at Trump after all. :lol:

But your point is pretty much on target. We have some very polarizing figures on both sides of the aisle that are focal points for the wide almost insurmountable chasm we now see between the two different ideologies. But I would probably argue that these figures aren't so much the cause of the issues more so then they are a product of this deep ideological divide. Take out the underlining issues (the divide) and we wouldn't have these polarizing figures as there would be no need for them. In other words, they are nothing more then a product of our times. Just my thoughts.

 

Actually I was attempting to make what I thought was an objective, if not obvious, observation about how starkly divided people are on Trump himself, aside from ideological beliefs/policy issues. This has intensified the lack of discourse, the echo chambers, the trolling/name calling. Trump is Trump. He is who he has always been.

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, Baltimorewx said:

We’re talking about a culture that slaughters dogs and cats for meat...and exotic animals and then cages and sells them, much of the time killing them live in person. What are we really talking about here? Does the entire population participate in this? Of course not. But it is a large part of the culture over there. Again, I stated a reliable source supporting  that particular way of life likely contributes to these disease outbreaks. If you didn’t like my particular wording, apologies but we’re talking semantics 

I’ve seen a few of these markets. I’m not sure what to say except that this is not something that will end soon without huge pushback from the public.  Maybe the Chinese will be able to control it for a bit.  But they will be up and running again when the pandemic subsides. It will take an enormous education effort over a generation to eradicate them. 

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