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Otherwise...it will be notably colder on Friday with H85 temps
averaging -5c not allowing near sfc temps to recover more than the
low to mid 40s f. The cold air within the cyclonic flow will support
a fairly pronounced lake response during the first half of the
day...then as the synoptic moisture is peeled away...the mixed rain
and snow showers will taper off through the afternoon.

As the next potent shortwave digs out another trough over the Upper
Great Lakes Friday night and Saturday...the steering flow will back
more to the southwest. This will direct mixed rain and wet lake
effect snow showers northward into the BUF metro area and also
across the northern parts of Jefferson county. Its worth noting that
while it  will be chilly enough to support a lake response...the
general lack of synoptic moisture should preclude any significant
precipitation.

This may change Saturday night though...as the robust shortwave will
plow across the Lower Great Lakes. The associated lake enhanced pcpn
could include a short period of steady wet snow that will have the
chance to accumulate on mainly elevated surfaces...although that
will also be determined by the intensity. In either case...the mixed
pcpn within a southwest flow will push south overnight in the wake
of the aforementioned shortwave.
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1 hour ago, BuffaloWeather said:

I think the first 2 weeks end up below normal, the last 2 above normal. Kind of wish it was the opposite as we're still a little bit too early for good LES.

There are some good signs that the PV elongated over the second half of November keeping the trough over the east...ill attach if I can.

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It appears the first half of November will favor a storm track north of the US/Canada border into Ontario and Quebec, Canada Provinces favoring a heavy snow track through these areas.  This future snow depth would allow cold air masses to reach further east and south towards the end of November and into December.  This will allow a further east and south extension of the cold fronts that move in from central Canada.

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51 minutes ago, Thinksnow18 said:

It appears the first half of November will favor a storm track north of the US/Canada border into Ontario and Quebec, Canada Provinces favoring a heavy snow track through these areas.  This future snow depth would allow cold air masses to reach further east and south towards the end of November and into December.  This will allow a further east and south extension of the cold fronts that move in from central Canada.

He’s a terrible poster and always says a huge storm and the pv is constantly coming. Even in a super nino. I would never quote that guy, stick to the Mets and more knowledgeable posters. 

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2 hours ago, DeltaT13 said:

Rochester still hasnt hit freezing yet this fall so the growing season continues on.  Pretty wild that I'm still picking peppers from the garden.  We might not even hit it this weekend and if that happens looks like we'll go another 7 days before the next chance.  

Your trees still holding most of their leaves? Around here you can tell who has had a decent frost and who hasnt...

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I'm sad to see this current storm slowly trending weaker and weaker.  We went from a sub 980mb low to a 991mb low in the span of a couple days.  Still a nice track though and there should be a nice window of decent winds just behind the actual front, but not the blockbuster I had been rooting for.  

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15 minutes ago, DeltaT13 said:

I'm sad to see this current storm slowly trending weaker and weaker.  We went from a sub 980mb low to a 991mb low in the span of a couple days.  Still a nice track though and there should be a nice window of decent winds just behind the actual front, but not the blockbuster I had been rooting for.  

At least we get to keep the power on!

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It will then become interesting Saturday night and Sunday...as a
fresh shot of cold air in the wake of the aforementioned cold front
will open the door for a more pronounced lake response. A well
aligned westerly flow should enable fairly well organized lake bands
east of both lakes...with wet snow being the primary p type. While
it is a little early to get specific about snowfall amounts...it
would not take much to envision several inches of snow accumulating
over the Tug Hill and portions of the Southern Tier. Stay tuned for
this one.

LONG TERM /MONDAY THROUGH WEDNESDAY/...
As the next potent shortwave digs out another trough over the Upper
Great Lakes Friday night and Saturday...the steering flow will back
more to the southwest. This will direct mixed rain and wet lake
effect snow showers northward into the BUF metro area and also
across the northern parts of Jefferson county early Saturday before
changing to all rain by afternoon. The robust shortwave will plow
across the Lower Great Lakes Saturday night. The associated lake
enhanced pcpn could include a short period of steady wet snow that
will have the chance to accumulate on mainly elevated
surfaces...although that will also be determined by the intensity.
In either case...the mixed pcpn within a southwest flow will push
south overnight in the wake of the aforementioned shortwave.

During this period broad upper level troughing will become established
across the eastern two thirds of the continent...and will help to
feed colder air across our region into the start of the new work
week. Such an airmass will easily be cold enough to support a lake
response downwind of both lakes.

A cold southwest flow on Sunday will support mixed rain and wet snow
showers...mainly in the snowbelts south of Buffalo and Watertown.
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hey guys just wanted to see what the weather is looking for going into next week as the colder air pushes in..is first flakes and/or synoptic/any lake effect snow chances a reality.. i live up here in oswego ny and just am curious because its getting to be that time of year again.  I am wanting to start up the chatter and model runs to see the possibilities thanks guys!!

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Upgraded to a high wind warning..

.HIGH WIND WARNING REMAINS IN EFFECT FROM MIDNIGHT TONIGHT TO
4 PM EDT FRIDAY...

* WHAT...Southwest winds 30 to 40 mph with gusts up to 65 mph
  expected.

* WHERE...Wayne, Northern Cayuga, Oswego, Jefferson, and Lewis
  counties.

* WHEN...From midnight tonight to 4 PM EDT Friday.

* IMPACTS...Damaging winds will bring down numerous trees and
  power lines. Widespread power outages are expected. Travel will
  be difficult, especially for high profile vehicles
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Flood watch..

...FLOOD WATCH REMAINS IN EFFECT FROM 2 PM EDT THIS AFTERNOON
THROUGH FRIDAY EVENING...

The Flood Watch continues for

* A portion of central New York...including the following
  counties...Jefferson...Lewis and Oswego.

* From 2 PM EDT this afternoon through Friday evening.

* Widespread moderate to heavy rain will develop this afternoon
  and continue tonight across the eastern Lake Ontario region.
  Rainfall amounts of 2 to 3 inches are expected.

* Excessive runoff from the heavy rain may result in flooding of
  poor drainage areas and small creeks late this afternoon through
  tonight. Larger rivers will also experience significant rises by
  later Friday, with flooding possible along the Moose River near
  McKeever, the Black River, and other rivers that drain the Tug
  Hill Plateau and western Adirondacks.
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