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Central Park Sensor Issue Update


donsutherland1

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Back on December 22, the Park's sensor reported minimum readings that were uniformly 2° below the hourly figures for the 6-hour timeframe in question. I reported the issue to the NWS.

 

The NWS confirms that there was a sensor issue. The sensor issue has been found to go back to early November. The data will be analyzed and corrections made. Because all the hourly data is being reviewed, the corrections process could take a few months.

 

I'll post a further update when I receive new information on this issue.

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Back on December 22, the Park's sensor reported minimum readings that were uniformly 2° below the hourly figures for the 6-hour timeframe in question. I reported the issue to the NWS.

 

The NWS confirms that there was a sensor issue. The sensor issue has been found to go back to early November. The data will be analyzed and corrections made. Because all the hourly data is being reviewed, the corrections process could take a few months.

 

I'll post a further update when I receive new information on this issue.

it's hard to imagine it being warmer than it was the last two months...I never liked using electronic sensors without a mercury back up for accuracy...

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Back on December 22, the Park's sensor reported minimum readings that were uniformly 2° below the hourly figures for the 6-hour timeframe in question. I reported the issue to the NWS.

 

The NWS confirms that there was a sensor issue. The sensor issue has been found to go back to early November. The data will be analyzed and corrections made. Because all the hourly data is being reviewed, the corrections process could take a few months.

 

I'll post a further update when I receive new information on this issue.

 

Thanks for following up with them. I'll take credit for spotting the issue.

So November still has a small chance of falling off the warmest November on record?

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Thanks for following up with them. I'll take credit for spotting the issue.

So November still has a small chance of falling off the warmest November on record?

I reported it based on your comment as the numbers appeared suspect. I posted the update here, because I couldn't find the initial discussion.

 

NWS didn't indicate whether the adjustments will increase or decrease monthly anomalies. The review is ongoing, so I don't think NWS is able to do so right now.

 

I'll keep everyone posted when I learn more.

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I reported it based on your comment as the numbers appeared suspect. I posted the update here, because I couldn't find the initial discussion.

NWS didn't indicate whether the adjustments will increase or decrease monthly anomalies. The review is ongoing, so I don't think NWS is able to do so right now.

I'll keep everyone posted when I learn more.

Great!

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Nice work, Don!

Thanks Hooralph.

 

Morris deserves a lot of the credit. He commented about a 6-hour minimum temperature's being suspect in one of the threads.

 

During the following two 6-hour intervals, the minimum reported temperature was again 2° below any of the hourly figures. The odds of that happening in three consecutive 6-hour periods are extremely low, so I reported the matter.

 

The image I attached to my email to highlight the issue is below:

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Finally, the NWS deserves a lot of credit as well. We're really very fortunate that the NWS is so responsive and willing to look into such issues. It is a truly outstanding group (not just Upton, but nationwide).
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I agree they're very responsive in this case but from what I remember, Uncle emailed them about a mistake and they never answered.

I'm definitely not bashing them as I'm sure they are very busy and I appreciate all the hard work they do on a daily basis.

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I agree they're very responsive in this case but from what I remember, Uncle emailed them about a mistake and they never answered.

I'm definitely not bashing them as I'm sure they are very busy and I appreciate all the hard work they do on a daily basis.

I'm surprised to hear this. Uncle W is extremely meticulous with his data. Perhaps it fell through the cracks. He should try again.

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I'm surprised to hear this. Uncle W is extremely meticulous with his data. Perhaps it fell through the cracks. He should try again.

I e mailed them again tonight...their 6" snowfall table is missing December 23rd-24th, 1961's 6.2" snowfall...also I think the January 31st to February 1st, 1878 storm was over 6"...there was 8.1" for the season and only two days had measurable snow...6.1" for January and 2.0" for February...I think the first storm was less than an inch before it changed to rain and the second one was over 7" with some sleet mixed in...

small article in the Brooklyn Eagle about 1878's snow to rain storm...

http://fultonhistory...cale - 0019.pdf

from the NY Tribune...

http://chroniclingam...-05/ed-1/seq-5/

2/1/1878

http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn83030214/1878-02-01/ed-1/seq-1/

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I e mailed them again tonight...their 6" snowfall table is missing December 23rd-24th, 1961's 6.2" snowfall...also I think the January 31st to February 1st, 1878 storm was over 6"...there was 8.1" for the season and only two days had measurable snow...6.1" for January and 2.0" for February...I think the first storm was less than an inch before it changed to rain and the second one was over 7" with some sleet mixed in...

small article in the Brooklyn Eagle about 1878's snow to rain storm...

http://fultonhistory...cale - 0019.pdf

from the NY Tribune...

http://chroniclingam...-05/ed-1/seq-5/

2/1/1878

http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn83030214/1878-02-01/ed-1/seq-1/

Good luck. Hopefully, you will hear back in a few days.

 

The 6.2” figure is reported in the records (http://www1.ncdc.noaa.gov/pub/orders/IPS/IPS-4575F017-B024-4A00-A005-FA6718E2725F.pdf), so the addition shouldn’t be controversial.

 

The second storm during winter 1877-78 was clearly the much bigger snowstorm for the City.

 

The February 2, 1878 issue the Boston Daily Globe reported “more than eight inches” fell in New York City.

 

From the February 3, 1878 issue of The New York Times:

 

The sleighing avenues were alive… Jerome Avenue was almost impassable; St. Nicholas Avenue was so full of horses and sleighs that it was impossible to turn around, between Eighth Avenue and the Bridge, without almost the certainty of a collision.

 

Given these reports, it wouldn't surprise me if the first storm brought 0.1" snow, the second brought 6.0" (1/31) and 2.0" (2/1).

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I e mailed them again tonight...their 6" snowfall table is missing December 23rd-24th, 1961's 6.2" snowfall...also I think the January 31st to February 1st, 1878 storm was over 6"...there was 8.1" for the season and only two days had measurable snow...6.1" for January and 2.0" for February...I think the first storm was less than an inch before it changed to rain and the second one was over 7" with some sleet mixed in...

small article in the Brooklyn Eagle about 1878's snow to rain storm...

http://fultonhistory...cale - 0019.pdf

from the NY Tribune...

http://chroniclingam...-05/ed-1/seq-5/

2/1/1878

http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn83030214/1878-02-01/ed-1/seq-1/

 

The amount and the resolution of the data you have is unbelievable.

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