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Remnants of Nadine (14L)


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I wouldn't go that far.

THE LAST FEW VISIBLE IMAGES INDICATED NADINE HAD DEVELOPED A TIGHT

INNER-CORE CIRCULATION. NOW THAT DEEP CONVECTION AND A POSSIBLE CDO

FEATURE HAVE FORMED OVER THE WELL-DEFINED LOW-LEVEL CENTER...THE

POSSIBILITY OF RAPID INTENSIFICATION SOMETIME DURING THE NEXT 24-36

HOURS EXISTS

Nadine really doesn't look bad at this time. Many tropical cyclones struggled when passing through this part of the Atlantic this year which I'm keeping in mind and is my main concern regarding Nadine, but it's actually looking not bad compared to the other storms that went through this region, forward speed isn't as rapid as the previous storms at a somewhat decent 15 mph, and wind shear, although not the most favorable it can possibly be, doesn't appear to be strong enough to inhibit development. I'm not completely sure about RI although it does look good for additional intensification.

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I'm not completely sure about RI although it does look good for additional intensification.

43% chance of 25kts of RI in the next 24 hours is 3.5x the sample mean. Pretty high. Consensus from multiple tools is 35%.

ftp://rammftp.cira.colostate.edu/demaria/NHCPG/12091212AL1412_shipsp.txt

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43% chance of 25kts of RI in the next 24 hours is 3.5x the sample mean. Pretty high. Consensus from multiple tools is 35%.

ftp://rammftp.cira.colostate.edu/demaria/NHCPG/12091212AL1412_shipsp.txt

I had a little doubt initially about the rate of intensification last night although it has intensified quickly early today and maintained its better appearance. These RI stats are pretty high, a category 1 hurricane is pretty much a lock although it will be interesting to see if Nadine can intensify more than expected during this time frame. The 12z intensity guidance which the new NHC outlook is generally close to shows another 36 hours of intensification before the intensification rate levels off.

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I believe we have Hurricane Nadine on our hands here now..

ADT shows this to be the case and so does AMSU

CIMSS/NESDIS-USAF/NRL AMSU TC Intensity Estimation:

TROPICAL STORM NADINE

Wednesday 12sep12 Time: 1647 UTC

Latitude: 19.80 Longitude: -48.24

Storm position corresponds to AMSU-A FOV 23 [1<--->30]

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| Estimated MSLP:

983 hPa

| Estimated Maximum Sustained Wind: 70 kts

| Estimate Confidence: Good ( +/- 7mb +/- 8kts )

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Channel 8 (~150 hPa) Tb Anomaly: 1.56

Channel 7 (~250 hPa) Tb Anomaly: 1.78

Channel 6 (~350 hPa) Tb Anomaly: 1.13

RMW: 37 km

RMW Source is: TPC

Environmental Pressure: 1010 (TPC)

Satellite: NOAA-19

ATCF data for Month: 09 Day: 12 Time (UTC): 1800

And so does SATCON

CURRENT ESTIMATE

Date (yyyymmddhh): 2012091216

SATCON (2mem): MSLP = 984 hPa MSW = 69 kt

ADT: 988 hPa 65 kt Scene: UNFRM

CIMSS AMSU: 983 hPa 70 kt Bias Corr: 0 (TPC)

CIRA AMSU: NA hPa NA kt Tmax: NA

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I believe we have Hurricane Nadine on our hands here now..

ADT shows this to be the case and so does AMSU

CIMSS/NESDIS-USAF/NRL AMSU TC Intensity Estimation:

TROPICAL STORM NADINE

Wednesday 12sep12 Time: 1647 UTC

Latitude: 19.80 Longitude: -48.24

Storm position corresponds to AMSU-A FOV 23 [1<--->30]

-----------------------------------------------------------------

| Estimated MSLP:

983 hPa

| Estimated Maximum Sustained Wind: 70 kts

| Estimate Confidence: Good ( +/- 7mb +/- 8kts )

-----------------------------------------------------------------

Channel 8 (~150 hPa) Tb Anomaly: 1.56

Channel 7 (~250 hPa) Tb Anomaly: 1.78

Channel 6 (~350 hPa) Tb Anomaly: 1.13

RMW: 37 km

RMW Source is: TPC

Environmental Pressure: 1010 (TPC)

Satellite: NOAA-19

ATCF data for Month: 09 Day: 12 Time (UTC): 1800

And so does SATCON

CURRENT ESTIMATE

Date (yyyymmddhh): 2012091216

SATCON (2mem): MSLP = 984 hPa MSW = 69 kt

ADT: 988 hPa 65 kt Scene: UNFRM

CIMSS AMSU: 983 hPa 70 kt Bias Corr: 0 (TPC)

CIRA AMSU: NA hPa NA kt Tmax: NA

Nope, just a 55 KT tropical storm.

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I believe we have Hurricane Nadine on our hands here now..

ADT shows this to be the case and so does AMSU

Still a tropical storm as of NHC's 5 PM advisory, although it's up to 65 mph/994 mb. NHC's discussion mentions a slightly more assymetric appearance and some dry air to the north. Still looks to be a hurricane tonight as long as it continues to intensify close to its current rate.

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Look who writes NHC advisories now.

WTNT44 KNHC 122032

TCDAT4

TROPICAL STORM NADINE DISCUSSION NUMBER 6

NWS NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL AL142012

ISSUED BY THE HYDROMETEOROLOGICAL PREDICTION CENTER COLLEGE PARK MD

500 PM AST WED SEP 12 2012

THE SYSTEM HAS BECOME A LITTLE MORE ASYMMETRIC...WITH A COMMA-TYPE

CLOUD APPEARANCE ON SATELLITE IMAGERY. DRY AIR ROTATING AROUND THE

NORTHERN SIDE OF THE CYCLONE COULD BE ERODING CONVECTION OVER THE

WESTERN SEMICIRCLE. HOWEVER...THE CENTRAL DENSE OVERCAST HAS

INCREASED SOMEWHAT IN SIZE AND DVORAK INTENSITY ESTIMATES ARE 55 KT

FROM BOTH AGENCIES. ON THIS BASIS...THE ADVISORY INTENSITY HAS

BEEN INCREASED TO 55 KT. CIRRUS CLOUD MOTIONS CONTINUE TO INDICATE

A WELL-DEFINED UPPER-TROPOSPHERIC OUTFLOW PATTERN...AND DYNAMICAL

GUIDANCE INDICATES THE VERTICAL WIND SHEAR SHOULD REMAIN MODERATE

FOR THE NEXT 36-48 HOURS. LATER IN THE FORECAST PERIOD AS NADINE

MOVES NORTH OF 30N LATITUDE...THE GLOBAL MODELS SHOW A SIGNIFICANT

INCREASE IN THE UPPER-LEVEL WESTERLY FLOW NEAR AND OVER NADINE.

THEREFORE...STRENGTHENING SHOULD BE LIMITED TO THE EARLY PART OF

THE FORECAST PERIOD AND A WEAKENING TREND SHOULD COMMENCE WITHIN A

COUPLE OF DAYS. IT SHOULD BE NOTED THAT THE LGEM GUIDANCE SHOWS

MORE WEAKENING THAN THE OFFICIAL FORECAST DURING THE LATTER HALF OF

THE PERIOD. WHILE THE 1200 UTC ECMWF SOLUTION SHOWS THE

POSSIBILITY OF EXTRATROPICAL TRANSITION AT THE END OF THE

PERIOD...THE MAJORITY OF THE 1200 UTC GLOBAL GUIDANCE DOES NOT.

UNTIL THERE IS GREATER AGREEMENT AMONGST THE GLOBAL GUIDANCE...THIS

TRANSITION WILL NOT BE INDICATED IN THE OFFICIAL FORECAST.

THE HEADING OF THE STORM HAS SHIFTED SLIGHTLY TO THE RIGHT AND THE

MOTION IS NOW ABOUT 310/14. THERE HAS BEEN LITTLE CHANGE TO THE

TRACK FORECAST PHILOSOPHY. NADINE IS EXPECTED TO ROUND THE WESTERN

PERIPHERY OF A SUBTROPICAL RIDGE OVER THE EAST-CENTRAL ATLANTIC

WITHIN THE NEXT COUPLE DAYS. THE CYCLONE SHOULD THEN TURN

EAST-NORTHEASTWARD TO EASTWARD AFTER MOVING NORTH OF THE RIDGE

AXIS. THE GLOBAL MODEL TRACK GUIDANCE...IN PARTICULAR THE ECMWF..

HAS SHIFTED SOUTHWARD IN THE LATTER PART OF THE FORECAST PERIOD.

THE 4- AND 5-DAY NHC TRACK HAS BEEN ADJUSTED SOUTH OF THE PREVIOUS

ONE...AND IS CLOSEST TO THE FLORIDA STATE UNIVERSITY SUPERENSEMBLE.

THIS GUIDANCE HAS BEEN A STRONG PERFORMER FOR TRACK PREDICTION THIS

YEAR.

FORECAST POSITIONS AND MAX WINDS

INIT 12/2100Z 20.0N 48.9W 55 KT 65 MPH

12H 13/0600Z 21.3N 50.4W 65 KT 75 MPH

24H 13/1800Z 23.3N 52.3W 70 KT 80 MPH

36H 14/0600Z 25.5N 53.8W 75 KT 85 MPH

48H 14/1800Z 28.0N 54.0W 75 KT 85 MPH

72H 15/1800Z 31.0N 51.0W 70 KT 80 MPH

96H 16/1800Z 32.5N 46.0W 70 KT 80 MPH

120H 17/1800Z 33.0N 40.0W 65 KT 75 MPH

$$

FORECASTER ROTH/PASCH

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One of the NHC forecasters (Pasch) looks to be visiting the new HPC facility, and they are probably doing some tests. HPC is the backup for NHC.

Exactly.

This is why they put this out the other day.

Seems like they are just running some tests like you said.

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HPC_ATCF

invest_RENUMBER_al142012_al912012.ren

FSTDA

R

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040

010

0000

201209101416

NONE

NOTIFY=ATRP

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One of the NHC forecasters (Pasch) looks to be visiting the new HPC facility, and they are probably doing some tests. HPC is the backup for NHC.

When I visited the TPC some 10 years ago, I got to do a forecast with Stewart for hurricane flossie in the PAC. That day, there was a member of HPC visiting the office to do some review. Sounds like they go to both places.

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Euro 850 mb winds seem suggestive the Azores might see hurricane conditions. I can't eyeball the top 850 mb winds quite well enough, or be confident in a reduction over sub-tropical oceans (or be sure the model is right) to say that, but this is just one image and the model affects the Azores for over 2 days.

ETA: the Nadine floater suggests hitting Luzon has really knocked it down a peg.

ecm_mslp_uv850natl_tropical_7.png

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I'm going to laugh if Nadine never becomes a hurricane.

This is ending up like all storms this year in this part of the Atlantic that didn't form way out in the ocean (Gordon, Michael, Kirk), such as Leslie which also developed quickly, then struggled until briefly becoming a hurricane. Trends apparently like to repeat themselves this year...

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00z SHIPs was initialized with 65kt, so bearing any sudden disorganization in the next couple hours, we should have Hurricane Nadine with the next advisory.

Not sure if it's 100% accurate but this model tracking site just listed it as a hurricane. The exaggerated as usual ADT is also showing strengthening, if disregarding its 77 knot maximum and only focusing on intensification trends, and satellite shows Nadine has a better, more hurricane-like structure than it did previously which appears to be improving, unlike the close call a few days ago. IMO, it's possible at this rate that we could finally have hurricane Nadine tonight, although I'm not sure how much she's going to intensify beyond this point. Starting point is similar in some ways to Leslie which took its time until becoming a hurricane, except that Nadine won't be stalling like Leslie did and will be moving into the part of the Atlantic which had this year's strongest hurricanes.

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BULLETIN

HURRICANE NADINE ADVISORY NUMBER 15

NWS NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL AL142012

1100 PM AST FRI SEP 14 2012

...NADINE BECOMES THE EIGHTH HURRICANE OF THE ATLANTIC SEASON...

SUMMARY OF 1100 PM AST...0300 UTC...INFORMATION

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LOCATION...30.0N 52.8W

ABOUT 725 MI...1170 KM E OF BERMUDA

ABOUT 1570 MI...2530 KM WSW OF THE AZORES

MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS...75 MPH...120 KM/H

PRESENT MOVEMENT...NNE OR 25 DEGREES AT 14 MPH...22 KM/H

MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE...985 MB...29.09 INCHES

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from the end of the discussion

NADINE MARKS THE THIRD-EARLIEST FORMATION OF AN EIGHTH HURRICANE FOR

THE SEASON IN THE ATLANTIC BASIN...BEHIND 1893 AND 2005.

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