LovintheWhiteFluff Posted March 19, 2011 Share Posted March 19, 2011 this would be great news if true..but maybe he referring to the other plant NEWS ADVISORY: Temperature at 100 C or lower at Fukushima 1-4 reactors: defense chief (15:51) He must mean Fukushima 2 since they can't get anywhere near Fukushima 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janetjanet998 Posted March 19, 2011 Share Posted March 19, 2011 <LI>NEWS ADVISORY: Some water exists in fuel pool at No. 4 reactor: Edano (16:50) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mt.Zoniac Posted March 19, 2011 Share Posted March 19, 2011 NEWSBREAK from FLOXNEWS: In city around the Fukushima plant, testing has shown that RADIATION has now seeped into some of the food supply including SPINACH and MILK which shows contamination. Nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LovintheWhiteFluff Posted March 19, 2011 Share Posted March 19, 2011 NEWSBREAK from FLOXNEWS: In city around the Fukushima plant, testing has shown that RADIATION has now seeped into some of the food supply including SPINACH and MILK which shows contamination. Nice. They say 50 miles around the plant can have this issue. I wonder if the Japanese are concerned about putting cement on top of the plant and then dealing with radiation getting into the ocean. I'm not an expert in radiation and have been wondering if it would effect fishing since Japan fishes a ton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mt.Zoniac Posted March 19, 2011 Share Posted March 19, 2011 They say 50 miles around the plant can have this issue. I wonder if the Japanese are concerned about putting cement on top of the plant and then dealing with radiation getting into the ocean. I'm not an expert in radiation and have been wondering if it would effect fishing since Japan fishes a ton. I'm sure they'd be concerned about fishing contamination, but they'll fish elsewhere now and test the product before buying/selling. We hope anyway. They can't just dump a bunch of cement on top of the plants - not when they're still unstable and hot. Russia had to do a bunch of remediation first, and many people died as a result. Plus the cement did not fix the problem - it's another Holy Mary - high radiation deteriorates cement and it crumbles (and still releases radiation into the atmosphere). FYI:....................Just heard that approximately 190 nuke plant workers are showing signs of radiation poisoning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LovintheWhiteFluff Posted March 19, 2011 Share Posted March 19, 2011 I'm sure they'd be concerned about fishing contamination, but they'll fish elsewhere now and test the product before buying/selling. We hope anyway. They can't just dump a bunch of cement on top of the plants - not when they're still unstable and hot. Russia had to do a bunch of remediation first, and many people died as a result. Plus the cement did not fix the problem - it's another Holy Mary - high radiation deteriorates cement and it crumbles (and still releases radiation into the atmosphere). FYI:....................Just heard that approximately 190 nuke plant workers are showing signs of radiation poisoning. fukushima plant falls under a three by Japan's scale of one to seven. Please no more quakes with those buildings in shambles. http://www.jma.go.jp/en/quake/00000000091.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LovintheWhiteFluff Posted March 19, 2011 Share Posted March 19, 2011 epicenter roughly 30 or 40 miles from the fukushima plant use google maps and put in copy and paste this into search field on page 36.7N 140.7E http://maps.google.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janetjanet998 Posted March 19, 2011 Share Posted March 19, 2011 Engineers reported some rare success after fire trucks sprayed water for about three hours on reactor No.3, widely considered the most dangerous at the ravaged Fukushima Daiichi nuclear complex because of its use of highly toxic plutonium. "The situation there is stabilizing somewhat," Chief Cabinet Secretary Yukio Edano told a news conference." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janetjanet998 Posted March 19, 2011 Share Posted March 19, 2011 Defense Minister Toshimi Kitazawa separately said the surface temperatures at the No. 1 to No. 4 reactors were found in the morning at 100 C or lower by a Self-Defense Force helicopter, adding their conditions remain more stable than expected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samdman95 Posted March 19, 2011 Share Posted March 19, 2011 Reuters Reuters Top News FLASH: IAEA says Japan has ordered a halt to all sales of food products from Fukushima prefecture Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoMo Posted March 19, 2011 Share Posted March 19, 2011 NEWS ADVISORY: Tokyo Electric apologizes for high radiation levels in some food NEWS ADVISORY: Traces of radioactive iodine found in tap water in Tokyo, other areas: gov't Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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OSUmetstud Posted March 19, 2011 Share Posted March 19, 2011 Gaussian dispersion models run using the 06z GFS modeled conditions around 18z Sunday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperNET Posted March 19, 2011 Share Posted March 19, 2011 Looks like Tokyo will get a fair dose of radiation in the next 18 to 32 hours... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtRosen Posted March 19, 2011 Share Posted March 19, 2011 SkyNewsBreak Sky News Newsdesk Foreign Office: British embassy is handing out iodine tablets to Britons in Tokyo, Sendai & Ugata Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OSUmetstud Posted March 19, 2011 Share Posted March 19, 2011 WHAT? criticality can be attained if the rods become rearranged or melt out of the Zircaloy cladding I believe. This would cause an exponential increase in the nuclear chain reaction and a tremendous increase in radiation. This is not the same as a nuclear weapon which seeks to obtain an almost instantaneous prompt critical state through compression. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SP Posted March 19, 2011 Share Posted March 19, 2011 criticality can be attained if the rods become rearranged or melt out of the Zircaloy cladding I believe. This would cause an exponential increase in the nuclear chain reaction and a tremendous increase in radiation. This is not the same as a nuclear weapon which seeks to obtain an almost instantaneous prompt critical state through compression. Sounds like some progress has been made..... I really hope the crisis in Japan will force action in America to address our OVER CAPACITY storage pools. This has been and remains a huge huge potential disaster in the making....not so much from quakes or storms......but terrorist. The vulnerability of the older designed plants is concerning. If we are to proceed with nuclear power it will take 70-100 plants at minimum. I also hope someone is building some CoGen plants right now. It all comes down to a long term sustainable Energy plan that both sides agree on and will not derail as power shifts over decades. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThePhotoGuy Posted March 19, 2011 Share Posted March 19, 2011 1421: Japan's nuclear safety agency has told a news conference that cooling systems at two of the six reactors at the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant are now operable, NHK reoprts. An emergency diesel generator at reactor 6 has resumed operation and a cooling pump at reactor 5 is confirmed to be usable. BBC http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-12307698 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bodhi Cove Posted March 19, 2011 Share Posted March 19, 2011 Most recent NISA reports for Dai-ni Plant which shut down w/o issue. And then Dai-Ichi to compare. http://www.nisa.meti.go.jp/english/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SP Posted March 19, 2011 Share Posted March 19, 2011 1421: Japan's nuclear safety agency has told a news conference that cooling systems at two of the six reactors at the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant are now operable, NHK reoprts. An emergency diesel generator at reactor 6 has resumed operation and a cooling pump at reactor 5 is confirmed to be usable. BBC http://www.bbc.co.uk...e-east-12307698 I would expect No 2 is next.....the other three have most damage.... Good news! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoMo Posted March 19, 2011 Share Posted March 19, 2011 1421: Japan's nuclear safety agency has told a news conference that cooling systems at two of the six reactors at the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant are now operable, NHK reoprts. An emergency diesel generator at reactor 6 has resumed operation and a cooling pump at reactor 5 is confirmed to be usable. BBC http://www.bbc.co.uk...e-east-12307698 That really is old news. They have been using a diesel generator at reactor #6 to cool both 5-6 ever since this happened. Also: BREAKING NEWS: Radioactive iodine beyond limit detected in tap water in Fukushima: gov't Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SP Posted March 19, 2011 Share Posted March 19, 2011 Most recent NISA reports for Dai-ni Plant which shut down w/o issue. And then Dai-Ichi to compare. http://www.nisa.meti.go.jp/english/ I beleive the top chart shows the 4 reactors not in play..part of plant 2 The bottom chart are the 6 in plant 1. it appears plant 1 remains in bad shape.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clinch Leatherwood Posted March 19, 2011 Share Posted March 19, 2011 I am hoping things are slowly getting under control. Just doing some reading....if the spent pools were totally dry temps should have risen enough now to be a major issue. They are managing to keep it cool enough but the thing is how do they fix the water leak? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bodhi Cove Posted March 19, 2011 Share Posted March 19, 2011 I beleive the top chart shows the 4 reactors not in play..part of plant 2 The bottom chart are the 6 in plant 1. it appears plant 1 remains in bad shape.... Correct. First chart is Dai-ni plant (note the water levels, temps and pressure.) The second chart is Dai-Ichi (cross reference the measurements to Daini plant) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThePhotoGuy Posted March 19, 2011 Share Posted March 19, 2011 1520: The UN has been tracking radiation from the Fukushima plant, showing that levels taken elsewhere in the country, as well as in Russia and California, are minuscule, a diplomat with access to the readings has told AP. BBC http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-12307698 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clinch Leatherwood Posted March 19, 2011 Share Posted March 19, 2011 1520: The UN has been tracking radiation from the Fukushima plant, showing that levels taken elsewhere in the country, as well as in Russia and California, are minuscule, a diplomat with access to the readings has told AP. BBC http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-12307698 When the winds flip we will get a better feel for how bad/not bad this is. I'm rapidly moving towards the 'dangerous' but under control side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick G Posted March 19, 2011 Share Posted March 19, 2011 Just some background on how the gov't in Japan works compared to US. Most of Japanese Gov't is pro business, one of the things we see in this disaster is that Tepco retains control of the situation the the power plants. In the US, the Gov't (NRC) would step in and take control.this is a huge difference in the way problems are handled. The Japanese businesses are expect to handle their own problems or to clean up after themselves. What is surprising that the Japanese Gov't stepped in and halted food sales from the accident area. that in itself is a sign on how bad the problem is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jburns Posted March 19, 2011 Share Posted March 19, 2011 Just some background on how the gov't in Japan works compared to US. Most of Japanese Gov't is pro business, one of the things we see in this disaster is that Tepco retains control of the situation the the power plants. In the US, the Gov't (NRC) would step in and take control.this is a huge difference in the way problems are handled. The Japanese businesses are expect to handle their own problems or to clean up after themselves. What is surprising that the Japanese Gov't stepped in and halted food sales from the accident area. that in itself is a sign on how bad the problem is. Not as different as you portray. When did the US government step in and take control of the gulf oil spill from BP? The problem is, the experts in each particular nuclear plant or oil platform don't work for the government they work for the companies. Sure the government has nuclear experts but that doesn't make them expert in any one facility. The company workers know the history of problems reported or not. They know things like, pump A doesn't pump as well as pump B. We've had vibration issues in the past with pump C. Basically what is called "local knowledge". It can be a huge advantage and argues against replacing company operators with government workers in the midst of a crisis situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clinch Leatherwood Posted March 19, 2011 Share Posted March 19, 2011 Nhk reporting they put down enough water to fill the pool theoretically. Waiting to see the effect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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