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Mid March Storm threat?


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I live in Southern Queens, they're not full blown green leaves yet but they're leaves, I only saw them on less than 10 trees, the majority of the trees just have buds, I have pics.

I think this was a unique set up, those 60's & 70's we got in February must've woke the trees up and by the time the buds arrived it was consistently mild and they kept going. I've never seen buds in February or leaves in March until now.

Must be the heat island effect. No sign of leaves or even swelling buds in SE PA or back home in CNJ.

Although it's certainly been warm, it hasn't been blowtorch. February was just +1/+1.5 above normal and March is about the same thus far, with a lot of cloudy days over the past month making it seem not as warm.

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Must be the heat island effect. No sign of leaves or even swelling buds in SE PA or back home in CNJ.

Although it's certainly been warm, it hasn't been blowtorch. February was just +1/+1.5 above normal and March is about the same thus far, with a lot of cloudy days over the past month making it seem not as warm.

I only have the usual suspects popping out some buds (species dependent.) Nothing unusual around here on the other side of Queens near the Throgs Neck Bridge.

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How'd you do on April 7th 2003? Recorded 6" in Monmouth County. Hvy snow and sticking on all roads at midday with temps in the low 30s.

i got about 3" but that goes to show you it can happen in the right pattern, funny how the snowiest winters had an april snowstorm..Lets hope this year delivers the magic :thumbsup:

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i got about 3" but that goes to show you it can happen in the right pattern, funny how the snowiest winters had an april snowstorm..Lets hope this year delivers the magic :thumbsup:

We've got cooler global temps on our side this year unlike last spring or the past decade for that matter, so plus there. Plenty of cold air up in Canada, but we need some semblance of blocking to amplify the trough in the East.

Definitely looks cooler in the long range after March 20th.

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Looking at Ray's radar archive for the April 9th-10th 1996 event, I think this probably would've been a high-end MECS event had it occurred in DJF with much better ratios.

http://www.njfreeways.com/weather/1996/09-Apr-96-FortDixDopplerRadarImagery.html

Snow was falling moderate to heavily for several hours with temperatures in the 32-34 degree range, very high water content snow. End result was a solid 6-10" hit from interior Monmouth southward. If temps were in the mid-upper 20s, it would've easily been a 12-16" storm, possibly some 18"+ totals considering the long duratrion of the snow.

H5 looks beautiful w/ strong vort energy rounding the trough and an 850 close off east of Jersey.

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18z NAM amplifies that wave that Ggem has had for days now.

Looks like NAM is setting up another rain maker for areas that don't need it.

Brings the wave in much too slowly, cold air has gone stale and 850s are > 0c by the time we precipitate. Pattern sucks right now so I'd expect nothing less. I think we have a better shot at our last window next week, March 20th-26th, or maybe after. NAO should be going negative by D10.

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I'll add that the February 1899 storm came at the end of a record low temperature streak.

It's not that we haven't seen snow in early April, but that it would be extremely rare to get an

April 1982 style event in NYC Metro.The heaviest snow with the April Fool's Storm in

1997 was to our NE.

I remember that it was really mild before the April 1982 blizzard and that provided

a contrast to how extreme a climo event that it was.That being said, we have seen snow

in early April also in 2006,2003,and 1996.

There was also heavy snow in April 1997 to our south-- we were in a dryslot. My favorite April snows are 1982, 1996, and 2003 -- all warning criteria here. We get accumulating snowfall in April on avg one out of three years.

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Must be the heat island effect. No sign of leaves or even swelling buds in SE PA or back home in CNJ.

Although it's certainly been warm, it hasn't been blowtorch. February was just +1/+1.5 above normal and March is about the same thus far, with a lot of cloudy days over the past month making it seem not as warm.

Crocuses have been blooming here for a few days now-- I think John reported the same in NJ.

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Leaves on some trees? Where do you live?

Last year was the earliest I've ever seen leaves on trees, but that wasn't until the last 10 days of March. Usually the pollen shoots up big time in late march-late April, with the majority of leaf out occuring late april-mid may.

2001-02 takes the cake for latest freeze earliest blooming lol-- I had crocuses blooming in late Feb and we didnt have our first freeze until Mid or Late Dec.

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I measured 6.7" on Staten Island...Temperatures were in the 30's three days...That is second to 1982...After the April 1982 blizzard there was extreme cold for April and another light snowfall followed the few days later...Newark got another inch...

I remember waking up and seeing a little snow on the ground in April 1958...It happened again in 1959...These are the top April snowfalls in NYC...

Biggest snowstorms...

10.2" 3-4th 1915

10.0" 13th 1875

9.6" 6th 1982

8.5" 1st 1924

6.5" 8-9th 1917

6.5" 5th 1944

6.4" 6-7th 1938

5.0" 9th 1907

4.2" 8th 1956

4.0" 7th 2003

That second April snowstorm in 1982 was supposed to be big but went just to our south-- what a surreal week of cold weather that was!

How did you do in 1996? Looks like UHI affects the city totals because we got 5-6" in April 1996, 7-8" in April 2003....

We have had accum snow in April 1982, 83, 90, 96, 97, 2000, 2003 and 2006 here so on average one out of every three years.... most of those were 1-2" events aside from 1982, 1996, and 2003 which were all warning criteria. Average April snowfall is about an inch. The latest in that list was 1.5" on April 19-20, 1983.

The past few decades snowfall in the first 10 days of April seems to be much more common than in the last 10 days of March.

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That second April snowstorm in 1982 was supposed to be big but went just to our south-- what a surreal week of cold weather that was!

How did you do in 1996? Looks like UHI affects the city totals because we got 5-6" in April 1996, 7-8" in April 2003....

We have had accum snow in April 1982, 83, 90, 96, 97, 2000, 2003 and 2006 here so on average one out of every three years.... most of those were 1-2" events aside from 1982, 1996, and 2003 which were all warning criteria. Average April snowfall is about an inch. The latest in that list was 1.5" on April 19-20, 1983.

The past few decades snowfall in the first 10 days of April seems to be much more common than in the last 10 days of March.

I got less than 1" on 4/10/96 in Brooklyn...Staten Island had 4" in places...March 29th has more significant snowfalls than any date after March 22nd...

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Looks like about 0.75" - 1.00" basin average over north Jersey based on the latest guidance. This would be enough to possibly put the Passaic River back to major flooding as it's forecasted to still be well above flood stage by the time precip begins. Luckily, it probably will only be minor flooding for my area as the Pompton river is forecasted to be about as low as it was last Thursday as it began to rain. Hopefully this 0.75" - 1.00" at 48hrs out does not end up as 1-2" but nothing would suprise me. The flow looks too progressive at this point in my opinion for excessive rainfall.

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Brutal heat and severe tstorms the first half, more seasonable temps and drier weather the last half? I guess that would be mirror image?

I wonder if this summer will be a mirror image of this past winter.

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by milder I actually meant cooler than last summer, like mild salsa is not as hot as the hot salsa lol

Really going out on a limb there, it'd be very difficult to get a summer hotter than last year. And now with global temps significantly colder than 12 months ago, it'll be even more difficult.

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Really going out on a limb there, it'd be very difficult to get a summer hotter than last year. And now with global temps significantly colder than 12 months ago, it'll be even more difficult.

That would be a very tough task, but I can see a 93/94 scenario or fro 2010/2011. 94 opened hot and cooled later in the summer. Either way I dont think we are on the verge of a 2004 or 2009-like coolness.

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As of 3pm, Upton raised the QPF forecast over all zones. Calling for ~ 0.75" over western zones, more NW, less SE.

For interior sections such as Ramsey, the have also added Heavy Rain to the zone forecast. Not quite another redux, but this bears watching, especially since current forecasted totals are just under FFG. Some of the high res models are showing the potential for some convection which could locally enhance rainfall.

Wednesday: Rain, mainly before 3pm. The rain could be heavy at times. Patchy fog between 9am and 3pm. High near 50. North wind around 6 mph. Chance of precipitation is 100%. New rainfall amounts between a half and three quarters of an inch possible.

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