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'cept laying down a bd boundary that close by is going to see that bd down to cape may nj

Well sure... but I was just speaking to that chart/interval, specifically. It maybe too warm. ... like I said, the GGEM tends to be too warm in the bl in that mid range stuff. I think it's overall an impressive homage to potential that it's as blue painted in ptype as much as it is at this range. That -NAO over the western limb in the multi-model blend has been hugely consistent for days now - it's like all but definitely going to happen. And it argues that anything delivered out of the NE Pac WILL descend in latitude underneath - the telecon on the shipping route is centered over the Mid Atlantic... The question - for me - is whether that result would bias on the N or S side of the general statistical domain. Because the entrance intervals ( time ) just prior shows heights in positive anomaly, albeit modestly so, over the lower Tenn Valley and adjacent Gulf o/ Mex/Florida and off the SE coast. That's a "Miami Rule" no-no... Some of the wave mechanics in the descent will get absorbed when the flow compresses down there, and is forced to speed up velocity. That's probably why we are seeing these solution - at present - that take the closing mid level centers straight over SNE instead of the idealized S of LI track like those biggies of yore and song. The feed-back process end up more N where more of the wave mechanics are less neg interfered.

That's like snowing really hard with nothing sticking ... not below 1200 or so... I think though that the GGEM having a warm bl bias in this time range above, 'might' make that interesting with the perfunctory correction.

Told ya .... https://phys.org/news/2024-03-extratropical-ocean-atmosphere-interactions-contribute.html ...15 years ago

oH man ... I hope that 00z GFS is right about the 7th - 10th ... madly deserved. 552 + dm hydrostats everywhere S of 50 N for three days of sun working on the landscape. The funny thing is, the 6th has the last of the -NAO driven coastal system still whirling in 38 F cat paws, and two days later it may be in the upper 60s or even 70 given that synopsis. Plus it has the upshot of less impeded eclipse viewing. It'd be nice but can't be confident about that unfortunately at this range.

Actually to be fair and honest, I noticed looking out the kitchen window when waiting on the tea kettle this morning that the lawn suddenly has green patches that were not there last week. I don't qualify it as "growing" just yet, but the uniform beige is now more a patchwork of vaguely greener and dormancy. I don't think that is early in and of itself. My recollection is that grass will tinge green at lesser environmental excuse - few mild days in February passing out the solar nadir into Ray's favorite - warm bum car seat season - and that patchwork look will flash over fields. That seems more like where we are at here in the Nashoba Valley. Which is interesting ...because what part of an icing event just last week flicked the turn green trigger ?

I think it's interesting that we've had about 9 consecutive months of above normal precipitation - I think? - on a regional scale, yet we never seem to really push the flood threat over the top. We're getting the Headlines out of the official offices but it seems by and large we're in a kind of "hydrostatic balance" (sloppy usage) where the outflow and inflow into the geography are in equilibrium; above climo, but below flood gauges. Playin' with fire? It's like sustaining a primed wick and never getting a match event

He's like a cat sticking its head in a paper bag - thinking it's all safe in there because of course ... that's the world in what it can see. Only his paper bag is his front yard.

yeah, that's a good point. From a sensible/experience approach, March is really a winter month - though CC's been fuggin with it, no doubt. If the 'weather machine' welshes on that end of the deal, there's really nothing redeeming left over - not to me anyway. Ooh, 42 F endless more clouds than sun, sign me up! I will, one day, be set enough to afford a 2nd residence possibly in California or even in Arizona or New Mexico, that I can flee to at this time of year ... open ended return date based upon the tenor of the spring/length of the dildo inches of that particular year

mm... I think April is but it's probably 6 to 1 half dozen of the other. perhaps "Marpril" is the better way to look at it. And May is the dirty cousin that shows promise but once in awhile still abets in crime.

Folks shouldn't hold on a snow event on Friday... most guidance far enough west to matter have a known bias of being far enough west to make people think it'll ever matter. Best is to be pleasantly surprised should that happen. Folks shouldn't hold on substantive warmer times until we're on the far side of that -NAO over the next 7 to 10 days. I do think the 2nd week of April we see a more momentum than we already have, into green up.

`FYI - I started a thread in this sub-forum that hosts 'general pollution' topics ... I don't personally care where it goes but it may be apropos there. Granted it's a slower burn and not as attention getting as this one.

yeha ... if this thing were to somehow pass under Li instead of abeam of PWM ... most people in this sub-forum either meet or exceed their seasonal quota in snow.

NAM has a NW bias at this range, too.

I wouldn't necessarily blame decreasing b-c on climate change this late in the season - assuming that's what you meant there. We're losing gradients via seasonal forcing at this time of year pretty fast, anyway, while CC moves much much slow than the forcing of any single transition season. It's almost impossible parse out the contribution down to a discrete level of either. But you know the former statement is right - The heights being modestly in positive anomaly across the deep S/SE, that is more of a larger scale limitation. It's physically preventing 'as much' N/S amplitude expression, because height falls sandwiched in between that and the NAO blocking becomes a compressed field - which speeds up the flow which stretches things W/E ... Just call it destructive interference. If this latter limitation somehow alleviates, that trough diving through the Lakes has a chance to slow down while passing under Long Island and that would be interesting

I actually don't have problem with it. Blues have odd behaviors - difficult to pin point that sort of thing. It's probably more of an homage to general possibility ...less 'where' exactly that happens. In fact, I can imagine the cackles and ridicule over the NAM this and that ... all the while missing that point. We're still technically reeling off that pretty crazy late season -EPO last week. It's modulated(ing) positive, but the loading takes time to extinguish - at this time of year, these indexes sometimes reflect more so in the mid level thermal complexion. If we look at that 850s mb, it doens't appear like there's warm problem to this thing being a kind of red flag - Although heh... anyone that thinks this week's been warm at the surface is probably trying to sell snow to Eskimos. I'm just saying ... that's why spring blue bombs happen.

It's close ( all hating and despising aside...) re April 3rd-ish Henry's chart above is remarkably consistent, as well ..shared with only irrelevant differences between the EPS/GEFS/GEPS ensemble means. In all --> a deep coupled response to that western limb -NAO you see over the D. Straight, should evolve nearby our lat/lon - that is the teleconnector incarnate. That's just a 101 interpretation that cannot really be argued. The problems with it are obviously A... the lateness and climate but excusing that obviousness for moment ( we've have blizzards in early April before, anyway - ) ...the heights in the west and how they transiently balance against the heights between the GOM and off the SE U.S. coast, are preventative. The GEFs mean for dailies is actually a very good fit on the 06z, taking a strong primary up the ST Seaway to about Watertown NY ..then, forcing a secondary E of PWM ... because it compromises the -NAO forcing a storm S, while also negotiating those heigher heights underneath/foundation of all that scaffolding down in the deep S/SE. It can change... a little more western ridging would help. But, I also suspect the entire 35N band around the entire hemisphere/planet on both sides of the Equator, being some 3 to 7 dm higher than they were 50 years ago ... would continue to impose resistance even if those mid latitude features became better aligned. The flow would compress, not "yield" in that sense... and compression speeds up the flow - it's basically just that the lower latitudes are destructively interfering. Complex... For now, we need the Pac --> N/A flow structure not be going into a -PNA mode, while these other inhibitors are going on, before we can be more confident in a finale bomb. I will say though that the 2nd week of April, the seasonal 'flash' is now showing up on the guidance across the board. It's probable any 1st week system would be the season's mortality gasp in the models.

PNA is falling

well okay, but it feels below normal and it is below normal just the same.

and the hits just keep on comin' https://phys.org/news/2024-03-climate-australia-soil-emit-global.html

yeah, I don't offer criticisms, because I do not engage in the 'Game Of Seasonal Throwns' I only offer some thoughts ...circa mid Sep to mid Novies to others. Take it or leave it. Like I was saying in the La Nina thread the other day... I mentioned this the last 3 autumns to the general pop. I believe pretty strongly that the usefulness of the ENSO historic climate/inference method as primary in the construction of seasonal outlooks, is a mistake now. This is not a criticism of any particularly individual - because I am not sure who said what, or employed how much of it. I don't read these discussions, frankly. If someone reference something, I may read an excerpt amount.. but that's hardly a fair intake. However, seeing close to 500 -page El Nino threads ... mmm, sort of lends itself. I think there must be people that do lean on ENSO. I also believe that doing so was more useful prior to the naughts of 2000. It's like if there were a hypothetical 'usefulness graph,' it would be sloping downward. It's something I begin posting about over 15 years ago... probably prior to Eastern's collapse. I specifically recall supposition way, way back then ... writing words to the affect of, 'If the world around the tropics is heating up, the tropics are no longer able to force the same way' Usually when doing so, the sentiment was met with crickets. We're not exactly proffering scientific posits to a formal conference audience in this social media engagement, are we. LOL. Evidence is leaning toward vindication of those earlier insights. The incidences of uncoupling, transient lengths of time, notwithstanding, ...it's all part of that. Plus, the scalar impacts of these El Nino and La Ninas over the last 15 years have been less acute in statistics. anyway

well said

https://phys.org/news/2024-03-antarctic-sea-ice-historic-lows.html

Agree this overall sentiment. ...altho, I don't engage in the winter stuff in 'late summer' ( ha ) but yeah. By this time? I really start checking out every year around Feb 20th, actually - by that date we're already 10 days post the end of the solar nadir and into the solar transition season. One could argue that is really the first zygote of spring... Not March 1. Not March 21st. February 10, because that is the celestial mechanics-dictated date whence the hemisphere solar irradiance watts/sqr-m, inflects toward positive more steeply. The opposite is true on November 9th, whence the beginning of the solar minimum/bottom out takes place. That's why I like the rare front-loaded winter. Takes advantage of the igloo day-light when the snows are falling. Real gelid, not that transient stuff you have to think about it while its snowing; on Feb 20 seasonal change is screwing with the splendor of it all. The models might even be tapping the 60 deg butt cervix the next week. Obviously there is a significant climate lag every year ( or at least used to be. Ha ). It takes time for the whole planetary system to respond to brightening(dimming) at either end. That's why I say I merely "start" to check out. lol. The total check-out process take about 2 to 3 weeks. By the 2nd week of March, I'm getting pretty indifferent ... Don't hate the late snow rareness'. Don't love 'em. Post the equinox? I'm entering the spectrum of annoyed. I hate this weather right now. There is almost nothing redeeming about this. And frankly ...if it snowed 6" of blue toilet cake snow on Friday, there is 0 d-drip value to that. I realize others don't share in this sentiment but ... there are some of us that do.

06z GEFs mean came back a little ... Yesterday's guidance may have been the typical mid range teaser interval... I'll give it this 12z. This is probably too tedious for the level of interest at this point... but it almost appears to me like the whole modeled hemisphere has two behaviors taking place at the same time. The shortening of the spring wave lengths is attempting to happen at the same time the modeled atmosphere is still accelerating in the mid range. Troughs are sharper ... some even closing/'bowlers' yet ... the models are speeding them up from D7 --> D4. Friday's doing what they were doing all year ( and previous year's worth of seasons for that matter, too - ) and that is to speed up the late mid range as it gets nearer. This speeding up takes something away from the N-S range of amplitude - I'm pretty sure this is why-for the attenuation thing, in general. Either the system in question is weaker, or it just is faster so it's impact is weaker - either way. Very consistent modeling error.