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  1. No one doubts that fitness and health are strongly associated with good covid outcomes. You just exaggerate the benefit to absurdity to the point where you actually believe vaccines are more dangerous than the virus.
  2. All american meal right there.
  3. Yes. Im okay with the pause so they can better to analyze and quantify the risk.
  4. A younger athletic persons risk of dying of covid is far higher than 1 in 7 million.
  5. Yes, but even the AZN vaccine has about a 1 in 100000 risk of these rare blood cots discussed. The only time it might not make sense for someone to get that vaccine is if they are under 30, and if they live in an area with low covid prevalence, so that your absolute risk from the vaccine would be even or maybe slightly higher. Anywhere where there's a lot of covid, it makes sense to get the vaccine, at any age, from a risk standpoint. In places where there's more than one option, I would definitely opt for the mRNA vaccines, but if AZN was only available, I would take it at 35.
  6. I dont really see it that way. There was a single person that was reported to die out of nearly 7 million people. If you didn't do things that carry that type of risk you never do anything...
  7. I could understand the thinking, but it's still misguided at the reported level. The risk is far greater of severe effects/dying of covid in a younger individual than a blood clot from this vaccine.
  8. This wouldn't have been found if it were fully approved anyway. This is a rare side effect that you wouldn't expect to find in a 30,000 person trial.
  9. From a public health standpoint you'll save more lives if you surge vaccines to hot spots now rather than just generally vaccinating by population. Other public health people have been suggesting it. It also takes time for NPIs to stop a surge.
  10. Seems like both should be done. I think its silly that the US is not surging vaccines in Michigan.
  11. Recommendations in keeping with emerging evidence The TAG was set up to provide advice to WHO/Europe on matters relating to schooling in times of COVID-19. This includes advice on the epidemiology of school transmission, infection prevention and control, and public health measures and their effects on the development and well-being of school-aged children. It aims to identify findings from emerging evidence to inform policy decisions on educational, social, developmental and health outcomes for children and adolescents. Based on their review, the TAG noted that: even with the wider spread of more infectious variants, there is no evidence that schools contribute in a major way to community transmission; school closures by themselves will not control the pandemic; and measures such as physical distancing, masks, hand hygiene and ventilation, applied in an age-appropriate way, should allow schools to stay open even with increasing numbers of infected people in the community. The TAG also reiterated points raised in earlier meetings, including that: closing schools should be a last resort; schools should be among the first to reopen; and young people in schools need to be part of the decision-making process on prioritizing and implementing interventions that affect them. https://www.euro.who.int/en/health-topics/health-emergencies/coronavirus-covid-19/news/news/2021/4/ensuring-safe-schooling-during-covid-19
  12. Nothing new under the sun. To slow the spread of the highly infectious and often deadly virus, there was a nationwide push for smallpox vaccination. In cities and states with the worst outbreaks, vaccination was compulsory and official certificates of vaccination were required to go to work, attend public school, ride trains or even go to the theater. The mandatory vaccination orders angered many Americans who formed anti-vaccination leagues to defend their personal liberties. In an attempt to dodge public health officials, who went door-to-door (often with a police escort) to enforce vaccination laws, some anti-vaccination activists would forge certificates of vaccination. Unable to tell if certificates were legitimate, health officials fell back on physical evidence: they demanded to see a vaccination scar. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.history.com/.amp/news/vaccine-passports-smallpox-scar
  13. Yeah I don't think there's anything you can do about that. I'm more discussing when the government is involved.
  14. Even for people who seem to be in favor of them, I think the consensus is you do not do it until everyone has actually had the opportunity to get one (domestically). Too many fairness issues to implement something like that currently.
  15. https://podcasts.google.com/feed/aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cub21ueWNvbnRlbnQuY29tL2QvcGxheWxpc3QvYWFlYTRlNjktYWY1MS00OTVlLWFmYzktYTk3NjAxNDY5MjJiL2IwMjQ3MzY3LTg4MmYtNDY3Yy05ODI2LWFjMTYwMTZmYTE1Yy85MTMyZmQ1YS04ZTZkLTQ0Y2ItYTliYS1hYzE2MDE2ZmExNWMvcG9kY2FzdC5yc3M/episode/ODNmMzBmNmItZmFlZS00N2QwLWFlOGItYWNmNzAxNDNmZjZi?ep=14 I listen to this the other night. Interesting arguments. Any sort of employer mandates are going to be challenging legally speaking before the fda grants full licensure. Seems like there's much more leeway and history with respect to international travel and immigration. There's already required vaccines for entering certain country and immigrating to certain countries.
  16. The evidence is pretty strong from European schools too. Do you have any specific evidence that schools are driving community transmission? I feel like it's been established for some time that the outbreaks have started in the younger adult population and then spread into older age groups from there.
  17. I think it does for a few reasons. Young children may actually be less susceptible to infection. They are also more likely to be asymptomatic than adults. They may just not be very effective as transmitters for this disease. I think initially the idea that schools would be a bigger problem with experiences with flu, which made sense, but this isn't exactly flu so it seems like things are a bit different.
  18. We dont know anything with this virus definitively. But I think the evidence doesnt point to schools being "virus reactors" that they are flu season. There's also plenty of evidence that kids are catching the infection outside of the immediate school environment.
  19. You are right that they can be more silent spreaders but this idea just isn't supported. Schools and SARS-CoV-2 transmission Based on the data available, in-person learning in schools has not been associated with substantial community transmission. Although national COVID-19 case incidence rates among children and adolescents have risen over time, this trend parallels trends observed among adults.17 Increases in case incidence among school-aged children and school reopenings do not appear to pre-date increases in community transmission.17,32-34 https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/science/science-briefs/transmission_k_12_schools.html
  20. Yeah that exactly right. It increases the disparities that already exist. It's also another reason why lockdowns are only quasi-effective in the short term. The government didnt/doesn't help the front line workers enough in impoverished areas all that much and they can't work from home. So you end up shifting the infection burden on an already relatively unhealthy cohort in multigenerational households while middle and upper class mostly white people can work from home and order Uber eats. Then, everyone focuses (including the government to shift blame on to the individual) on maybe the 20% of spread that is actually caused by "bad behavior" all the while ignoring the systemic issues behind the majority of the spread.
  21. Pretty sure I've seen evidence that teachers are far more likely to get covid outside of schools than in the school...just like kids are catching more covid outside of school than in school. School doesn't have to be perfectly safe to be in favor of mostly open school given the obvious negative effects of long term school closures.
  22. An interesting discussion with respect to history and legalities of vaccine passports in the US. https://time.com/5952532/vaccine-passport-history/
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