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Read the conversation, this whole thing started because people started dunking on Nova Scotia and Canada in general. It's amazing that people who lived in Massachusetts would have the gall to do that.

Wasn't their state travel restrictions early on? We don't have domestic vaccine manufacturing so we had a slower start, but just over 30% have a first dose now. It's much better than many other countries, but not as good as the US, the UK, or Israel. The daily rates lately are similar to the US. I never suggested that what Atlantic Canada did could work there.

I do, I just can't imagine gloating about how Mass has done. You haven't been particularly open and you've had a hell of a lot of death and disease.

Mass has like 25 times the deaths per capita, congrats. And, we've had schools mostly open up here which is a big advantage of downstream costs to the American experience.

Yeah I agree. It's worked here. We've only had 6 deaths in NL, for example. Were up to about 30% vaccinated with the first dose, so there's a solid opportunity cost advantage in preventing infections and deaths this spring as we vaccinate.

They've been running a mostly zerocovid policy, like here. We've had success due to the travel restrictions in Atlantic Canada.

I thought we were talking in general. Idk, I think the suggested guidance on vaccinated people trends too safe. The Court held that "in every well ordered society charged with the duty of conserving the safety of its members the rights of the individual in respect of his liberty may at times, under the pressure of great dangers, be subjected to such restraint, to be enforced by reasonable regulations, as the safety of the general public may demand" and that "[r]eal liberty for all could not exist under the operation of a principle which recognizes the right of each individual person to use his own [liberty], whether in respect of his person or his property, regardless of the injury that may be done to others." Jacobson v. Massachusetts (1905)

There's plenty of relevant case law for public health restrictions in pandemics going back over 100 years. I understand it sucks.

I understand your personal risk assessment, I think that's perfectly reasonable. At the same time, I think it would be perfectly reasonable for someone who has been vaccinated and at high risk to be careful until the community prevalence drops to a much lower level.

We don't have measles are mumps running through the population currently at fairly high prevalence. The risk calculation is very different, there. I do trust the vaccine and I hope to vaccinated in about early June or so from the looks of things and get back to normal.

This is a hell of stretch. Political avatars having nothing to do with gun violence. Probably be better to find a liberal tell on people who far too scared of covid or something.

Assuming these numbers are reasonably correct, India has about 20 times fewer ICU beds per capita than the US. So obviously you don't even need similar infection/hospitalization rates to the US or Europe to have a huge problem. https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/countries-with-most-critical-care-beds-per-capita.html

It's not a socialism problem. It's nationalized vaccine contracts combined with a government that's outsourced its manufacturing ability overseas years ago. The UK is doing fine with vaccines and they have socialized medicine.

The 10-year super outbreak anniversary is tomorrow.

The media is in full fear mode on variants and vaccines. I'd like to see how things shake out over the next few weeks to see if there's anything there.

I stopped using hand sanitizer regularly very early on. It seemed like late spring/early summer it was rather obvious fomite transmission was super low.

yeah for sure. I was kinda pushing against the idea our immune systems can't work or something because of masks and/or distancing.

From what I can find in a google search (and I don't remember) the only articles specifically mentioning "2 weeks to flatten the curve" where from Trump and the Surgeon General. I remember others suggesting that this was going to be more of a slog than that. The second idea always kinda seemed more realistic to me.

We already do this though. There's still plenty of other viruses and bacteria that we are exposed to and live with on a regular basis. You'd literally have to live in a bubble to not develop proper immunity from exposure.

Lol. If we were talking about that year or two then sure. I was making a general point about death rate improvements which is far more tied to sanitation and public health.

Yeah. Toilets, antibiotics, and vaccines are really something.

The background annual fatality rate back then was about triple what it is today, hence why covid ends up as such an anomaly.

Watching things last night I think the Niagara Peninsula would have gotten the most. Any report a bit east of you on the escarpment?

I threw about 2-3" in Windsor and 4 to 5" for the Niagara Peninsula on our storm report.

In the aggregate if it hospitalized 5 times more kids than flu in a given year it's more dangerous imo at least.