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Still a bad hockey player...

Not sure about verified information but scientists are always combing through that. It's the reason that some European countries and Canada suspects theres some potential link between a rare blood clot disorder and the azn Oxford vaccine. It's not being used for those under 55 here.

Science isn't done by anecdotes.

You're misinterpreting that data.

No. That's not what I'm saying at all. If there was evidence of a problem it would be found. Vaccine deaths are almost unheard of in modern times.

Anyone can report anything in those forms. If there was actually 1600 vaccine related deaths it would be pulled immediately. This system exists so that scientists can examine data and see if there's a causal link between adverse events and or death and the vaccine. 3 million or so people die in the US per year. Some of these people would have gotten the vaccine. These vaccines only have an effect on covid, they don't prevent any other conditions people suffer from or die from.

Interesting. Russia has the second highest (tracked) excess deaths in the world at 355 per 100000 https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/coronavirus-excess-deaths-tracker

I dont think it will be eradicated. Theres too many animal reservoirs.

Theres definitely value in being over herd immunity. Herd immunity initially will not be particularly stable if there is open international travel. We could be looking at 2023 or 2024 until vaccines get around to the poorer areas of the world. There could be still pockets where there's more vaccine hesitancy so there's more outbreaks. Getting the most vaccinated as possible should be the goal.

Yeah you could for sure. I don't think there's a definitive answer here but I've just noticed the estimates of asymptomatics have fallen through the pandemic. I believe the UK only estimated 20% and CDC prepandemic planning scenario had 40%. I dont think we have data on covid symptoms vs vaccine side effects for different age cohorts but I am absolutely sure that the relative risk of covid death and complications is far greater at any age than the US approved vaccines.

I think that 62% is inflated. The more recent estimates seem much lower. This particular report by the CDC only estimates 12% asymptomatic. The "side effects" are literally your immune system working. I wish people would just be cool with that lol. https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/burden.html

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Give that vaccines aren't 100% effective I'd be shocked if there weren't some covid deaths post vaccine generally. We are talking about millions of people here.

All these vaccine trial populations have attempted to represent the larger population as a whole in terms of demographics and comorbidity. We don't have anything specific on this trial since this was just a press release not the full paper.

The US standard is already that covid contributed to death. 535k covid deaths 575k excess deaths 726k deaths of a combo of covid, pneumonia, and influenza since the pandemic began (the normal is 50k pneumonia/influenza) It's really hard to believe that 13 months in anyone is still discussing "covid with" in good faith.

Poor countries do, unfortunately. TB is still a huge problem in the undeveloped world.

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2021/01/28/960901166/how-is-the-covid-19-vaccination-campaign-going-in-your-state I like this site. Give the suspected ratio of cases to infections theres probably somewhere between 105 million and 125 million Americans have been infected (30 to 38 percent). Theres about 16% of Americans fully vaccinated Even with some overlap you'd expect 41% to 50% of Americans to have considerable protection. I would suspect there'd be herd immunity in June or so via these vaccination rates and prior infection.

This is an argument against vaccine passports in the BMJ https://blogs.bmj.com/bmj/2021/03/30/covid-19-vaccine-passports-will-harm-sustainable-development/

I'm mostly anti vaccine passport. I think most people will get the vaccine and those who don't take the risk upon themselves. Theres some solid equity argument against them too...well to do folks are more likely to be in a position to navigate the vaccine appt system.

No. And that could be where some of that comes from. I don't necessarily trust our govt all that much but I do trust the science.

The US really outsources everything.

Takes on different flavors in different locations lol. That study was pre covid.

Shit is pretty rough in Europe, especially Eastern Europe. Hopefully they can get the vaccination program in gear over there. Much of Europe and Asia has more vaccine hesitancy than the Americas, Africa, India, and Australia. https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)31558-0/fulltext

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1165366

You aren't interested in learning anything. I sourced why.