powderfreak

You face south right Gene? Could be a breezy evening tomorrow. It'll be interesting to see how it plays out. Good to see the forum hopping with some enthusiasm. Storm threads are far and few between in the summer months.

It's sad I had to google the meter per second to miles per hour conversion... sometimes you forget what the rest of the world uses, ha. That's a solid velocity scan!

This was another one of those "fluke" systems that over-performed in a big way. It was lake effect coming all the way from Lake Ontario mixed with the orographic lift... something that to forecast was a nightmare. I remember thinking that a lake band amid a general lighter upslope snowfall might give someone a 12" total amid a larger 3-8" upslope shield. Didn't think 40" storm total... but this storm started as a heavy wet paste elevation event, with like a foot of paste before 30" of blower. The real weather weenie observation is noticing the wind shift throughout the cycle, shown by what side of the pole the snow stacked up against.

And to show how localized that above "storm" was... here's the CoCoRaHS map from that morning on the mountain. All the lower elevations got a 1-3" fluffer but talk about localized snowfall... those photos show that it dumped 12+ of fluff overnight. I've got the High Road snow plot photo somewhere too, gotta find that, maybe external hard drive. It's hard to comprehend how localized it can be. Even now if I wasn't looking at the photos and the camera file data, I would think this was the wrong morning.

A pow shot for some stoke... this was a "surprise 14 inches" that fell overnight from some squalls and then ended right before opening bell with blue skies coming out. I still think the N.Greens are one of the few places you can get a surprise 14" in 12 hours followed by bluebird. I remember this morning well as I was off, Andre was doing the snow report (guy in the blue jacket)... I get a text at 5am from him that's like "Bro. Wake up. Now. Grooming says they've got 14" of new snow since 4pm." I remember looking outside, seeing like an inch or two on my car and being like "Stop sh*tting with me dude." "No, really, they say they have 14 inches on upper mountain. They said it was snowing like 4 inches an hour around 3am." I was out of bed so fast... made it to the office to grab my gear and head up with Andre right after Patrol gave the ok on line-check. Just pure cotton candy that fell in windless squalls and stacked up big. Probably 30-40:1 ratio blower on this morning.

77F for the high here. Finally a BN max temp. Day probably still averages warm with the mins lol.

My head kinda hurts from this afternoon trying to process the whole thing, ha. But it’s funny my buddy at Killington had the same reaction when I asked him as ORH did... “I wasn’t looking for it but if someone came up to me to give me crap for NY plates he might just get punched and we move on. Unfortunately they all seem pretty nice though I wasn’t looking for hostility.”

Yeah if a person for that matter, don’t care where they are from or going said anything to me I’d flip ‘em a bird and keep moving... but it sounds like it’s not happening in person, she says everyone seems nice in person but they are saying stuff online about out-of-staters. I just think if you don’t read that and go by your in-person experiences, you wouldn’t know? Like reading the most vile stuff on the internet at 4Chan and then saying all white males are complete assh*les despite them being really nice in person. I don’t know, I just hope we don’t have to have this convo all winter about postings on a Killington group.

Jen, I would truly stay away from that toxic social media environment and just believe your friends when they say they are so glad to see you. I just feel so bad that the online Facebook stuff has gotten to you so much that even in person you have friends that say they are so glad to see you when you arrive...but you still feel you aren’t welcomed because of FB posts in a group. Just concentrate on the real life interactions and push the rest out. Don’t let the vocal minority internet bullies ruin your winter.

What an eastern chute! Looks damn steep to be an old surface lift.

What you described is always what I’ve noticed. I had NY plates even while working for Stowe marketing... I never had an issue. When we got married, my wife bought a vehicle off my parents and were lazy about registering it so she had NY plates for a good year. Your experience Phin is what I’ve seen in NNE. We try to be good. I was willing to drive to Jay Peak to take photos of a property for you, someone I’ve never met. Maybe Randolph has a closed FB page where all the locals can bitch about you? From what I’ve gathered most of the issue seems to stem from Facebook not actual in-person interactions. I text my buddy who MTBs at Killington and he said he has no idea, he was there two days ago and then got beers on a patio with NY tags. He did say something interesting though “I wasn’t looking for it though, maybe if I was actively looking for hostility I could find a mean glare? Lol.”

You got your taser in one hand and your iPhone in the other checking the JFK/LGA gusts?

Facebook has become the most toxic social media venue out there. I've gone mostly to instagram almost entirely for photos. It is amazing how much extra odd stress disappears without reading toxic FB arguements. It's like the outlet that people take all their anxieties out on. But I agree, if things posted to Facebook start changing your perceptions of a place, it's time to go. If I look at any of the Vermont news stations like WCAX and read the 500 comments posted under a headline on FB, I would not believe that is the same Vermont I live in (and an outsider reading it might be like, "this state is supposedly progressive?"). It's just all hate all the time, on everything. People just shouting at each other. The best idea is to just go out and live.

What's a non-violent tornado? A fakenado?

This is definitely looking pretty interesting. Looking forward to tomorrow evening and a good old fashioned storm thread.

Amen for that, ha. Some pretty substantial differences still. At least it's not boring. Looks like a good ORH ASOS wind direction and track for some gusts coming out of the lowlands to the S/SE.

Ahh there it is. I didn't realize it has 850mb as that strong. I was looking at the GFS and it looked like 50-60kts at H850 in that same area.

Mixing down from like 850-700mb? How does a model get to 90mph gusts anywhere in New England, ha.

What the hell is going on down at Killington, yikes. Hopefully it's just a coping mechanism or joking way to brush off frustrations? It sounds different than up here when we mostly just get a chuckle about cars going where they shouldn't... like the Quebec or Mass plated SUV driving through the Stowe base area's pedestrian cobblestone little village, like Dad had to get out and move potted plants to gain access because he thought he could park closer to the hotel room (maybe it was @STILL N OF PIKE actually?). Or when a zip line attendant radios to me that he thinks a personal vehicle just passed their platform on Perry Merrill... "Are you sure it wasn't a work vehicle?" "Uhh, it's a black Infinity SUV with Quebec tags and he's about to get stuck under the Gondola, do we have any of those in our work fleet?" "Message received, ha." That's the stuff that's harmless and funny in all resort towns.

Couldn't be further from a description of me, ha. It's funny how little VT stereotypes I'd actually fit... I'm a high & tight haircut (comes anywhere near my ears it's cut again), drive a Honda Pilot SUV you'd see in the suburbs, not a fan of jam band music, and I don't think I've ever gone in public wearing anything close sandals except maybe flip flops to a swimming hole . I do like my IPA's though!

Yeah I could see that, there's always seemed to be more local vs. non-local stuff in SVT when I grew up skiing there. They are much closer to the significant day trip traffic, maybe they feel they need to fight more for their identity? Who knows. I just don't see it up here so that's why I'm always so shocked. But up here we are in touristy areas but also have Burlington, Montpelier, etc and it is a different vibe. I live in a series of townhomes and we get a ton of families from out-of-state renting people's units, no one cares and we've had some good ones to hang out with this summer grilling and chillin. They love the bear here that's like a stray dog, ha. As I've said before, my buddy lives in VT but has NY company plates on his car, and he mountain bikes at Killington weekly and hasn't heard a peep about out of state plates since April. I'm sure the experience varies, its extremely unfortunate if you had friends who treated you like that. I've heard the Killington access road has been packed this summer, the patios, restaurants, etc... the vibe must not be that bad? Also, best of luck to your husband on his nursing classes. My mom and two sisters are in the nursing field. I have a ton of respect for that and wish him well!

Yeah I think we are past that point UNLESS the Government(s) go full "Stay at Home" order. That's when all that stuff closed, from ski mountains to Pinkham Notch to swimming holes, etc. Sort of like a "we told you to stay the f*ck home but if you can't do that, we'll just close the stuff you are traveling to do." Unless you think we could get back to Stay at Home status, that stuff is likely done. That was probably the most "dangerous" time from a freedoms standpoint. Instead of locking you in your house, Dept of Public Safety sort of agencies started closing up places that would entice you to leave your house.

It's always present, I mean the term Masshole has been around to describe Mass tourists in VT/NH/ME for decades. Everywhere that people visit (heck it doesn't have to be a tourist area, a lot of people just hate New Yawkers on the spot, ha) has these things... Jackson Hole hates everyone. Colorado hates Texans even though they own probably half the vacation homes there, Lake Tahoe hates people from San Francisco. Hate is likely too strong a word, its just the classic local vs. non-local that's been going on since the dawn of time. Beach towns and surf communities in California are notorious for this towards outsiders. But it's also always been a joke sort of thing. Like a way to describe the guy in Quebec plates driving down the sidewalk that he thought was an entrance to the hotel in Vermont. Or when I take my VT plate down to the Cape and get stuck in the sand, the locals get a chuckle.

I think most of us from Vermont would respectfully disagree, just like I think you would disagree people blanketing all with different license plates as irresponsible. Honestly, blanketing ALL Vermonters as people who hate non-Vermonters doesn't further the conversation. I know this has been a time that has really hurt for you and your husband around your Killington area, but blanketing all Vermonters as these people is no different than when a Killington local blankets ALL out-of-staters as sh*tty careless people. There are obviously going to be people on both sides of it... there are more than plenty of very welcoming Vermonters out there. There are also more than plenty of assh*le tourists who leave trash at picnic spots and fit every tourist stereotype you can get. Likewise you'll also find jaded locals lurking. But continuing to group everyone as either one or the other groups does nothing to help the situation. Also in the time of the internet and on news stories and facebook posts, there is usually a vocal minority that makes one think all of humanity is racist, terrible people.

They will likely also not only "appear" to be doing the safest thing, it will likely be the safest thing. Now a person can agree or disagree if it is "necessary" but just the way you phrased that made it sound like there may be a perception issue in how safe they are actually being. Sort of like hey, the safest way to drive and not get in an accident, is to not drive. It's true, ha. If MLB teams can't even make it a week into a season (the Marlins have "postponed" 8 games so far) without having COVID issues, it's going to be a long winter is my expectation. Each outbreak will have to be dealt with, no one is just going to bury their heads in the sand and keep going if a ski town or ski area employees are having COVID spread through.